walsufnir said: weaveworld said: walsufnir said: wick said: Well seeing as I've had an xbox live gold account for the past 4 years I won't care whatsoever. At least I'll own my games unless you quit ps+ - all the rentals are gone, right? yes, and when you pay up again... they're back! ;p And when you do not subscribe for half a year, the games that you got for "free" in this time are not available to you, right?

No, the games you get you get for paying a subscription. So yes they are not available when you are not paying.

But I don't know what you are getting at, if it's about the remark from Wick about owning his own games... he will own his own games on PS4. Everything he buys on disc is his. Unlike the Microsoft way.

It went over most peoples heads it seems. Including mine. Expect no one to realize until they buy a PS4 for themselves. So, only Nintendo remains....

Just wanted some clarification how ps+ works.

Twitch Vs Ustream?

300,000 dedicated/cloud servers Vs Gaikai?

We'll always find something to argue non stop about on the internet! Have no fear!!

^^Bingo....its no surprise to me though. Just take note of the hyprocrisy, accept it and move on. There are a lot of people who are not real with themselves when it comes to gaming and will say anything to stay loyal to a brand. Im sure if Sony had used game restrictions we would be seeing the same type of comments. Microsoft know gamers always conform to anything they put in front of them so all this doom and gloom because of a price and used games restriction is nonsense. People are going to buy those consoles reguardless. 

walsufnir said: wick said: Well seeing as I've had an xbox live gold account for the past 4 years I won't care whatsoever. At least I'll own my games unless you quit ps+ - all the rentals are gone, right?

Lol DRM boycott stops with the X1 then?

They said "immersive multiplayer" will require ps plus. This means that normal multiplayer is still gonna be free, but persistant MMO's will require a plus subscription.

It's a real shame, I think they should at least introduce an entry level PS+ subscription to pay for online that is only $20 / £15 a year or something if they really need the money to do it. Hopefully the Gaikai features and PS+ perks can make the pill a little less bitter to swallow.

well PS3 is still free online,this is next gen sony,

alot of us here are plus subs anyway,i only get it when it is on offer myself and it runs well into next year but for new buyers it is equal to xbox now and not an advantage

nintendo can really make some headlines now i think if they get marketing with the cheapest console with no paywalls,whether it will last is anyones guess

will you be able to buy a pass for an individual game to play multiplayer or will you have to subscribe period to access i wonder,sounds like the latter

live not being free was the reason i got a PS3, well that and it had ps2 and ps1 BC. Now the PS4 you have to pay for online and no BC. I feel like consoles are going the wrong way now. I still will probably get PS4 eventually but i'm not paying for PS+. Gonna get a Wii U after the price drop that is probably coming soon.