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Are you excited for the digital future?

Yes, no more swapping discs or damaged discs 23 12.78%
 
Maybe, not decided 29 16.11%
 
No, I prefer physical over digital any day 128 71.11%
 
Total:180
NobleTeam360 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
BenVTrigger said:
Max King of the Wild said:
It should be a bannable offense to group Sony into this.


Your joking?

You believe Sony will simply look at Activision, EA, and Ubisoft and tell them no? Sony filed the watermark patenr for a reason and its obvious. In fact Sony themselves have admitted it.  They said pre owned will be up tp the publisher. Same as MS. They also said PS4 wont require online.

Its obvious publishers will have the option of utilizing the watermarked discs and that most will indeed use them



Companies file patents all the time. Most of them are never used. Sony said the pantent doesn't concern the Ps4... Sorry bub

Give me a link that shows an official Sony response stating that PS4 wouldn't implement some sort of DRM? I certainly don't see any. 

Well sony confirmed no internet connection required and gamestop confirmed used games can be traded... How the hell would they possibly enforce it?

I believe what was stated that PS4 doesn't require a constant internet connection. Contant internet connection and no internet connection is a pretty big difference. 

Wrong: "PS4 games will be playable without an Internet connection."

EDIT:

Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?

Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.

Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?

Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.

Eurogamer: One of the questions my readers really want an answer to is whether you're going to block the use of second-hand or 'used' games, because it's a huge concern for them.

Shuhei Yoshida: Do you want us to do that?

Eurogamer: No. I think if you buy something on a disc you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on. Do you agree?

Shuhei Yoshida: Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers. They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation.

Eurogamer: So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, you're not going to stop them reselling it?

Shuhei Yoshida Aaaah. [Asks PR adviser.] So what was our official answer to our internal question? [Consults adviser.] So, used games can play on PS4



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kitler53 said:
Netyaroze said:
Music CDs still exist Disc based Videogames should too. Choice is a good thing.


this.   hell, they still sell records. 


Indeed. 

And IOS has never sold a physical game in existance and is rapidly overgrowing the home console market. Its clear many people are prepared for a digital future, even if core gamers are not. Me included.



pbroy said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
BenVTrigger said:
Max King of the Wild said:
It should be a bannable offense to group Sony into this.


Your joking?

You believe Sony will simply look at Activision, EA, and Ubisoft and tell them no? Sony filed the watermark patenr for a reason and its obvious. In fact Sony themselves have admitted it.  They said pre owned will be up tp the publisher. Same as MS. They also said PS4 wont require online.

Its obvious publishers will have the option of utilizing the watermarked discs and that most will indeed use them



Companies file patents all the time. Most of them are never used. Sony said the pantent doesn't concern the Ps4... Sorry bub

Give me a link that shows an official Sony response stating that PS4 wouldn't implement some sort of DRM? I certainly don't see any. 

 

"At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."


http://kotaku.com/sony-wont-answer-these-questions-about-ps4-drm-and-use-510477281

No offense but I got my answer to the whole DMR from Sony back at the reveal when they said it was up to the publishers. Whenever Sony finally announces the plans with the PS4 then I will gladly accept it obviously. I'm hoping Sony doesn't follow what Microsoft did in any form or fashion but until I get a clear cut answer I refuse to go out right and deny that the PS4 won't have any sort of DMR, sorry I like clear cut answers not half baked answers that sony execs have been giving. Just my opinion on the matter you don't have to like it. 



Max King of the Wild said:
BenVTrigger said:
Max King of the Wild said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
BenVTrigger said:

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Companies file patents all the time. Most of them are never used. Sony said the pantent doesn't concern the Ps4... Sorry bub

Give me a link that shows an official Sony response stating that PS4 wouldn't implement some sort of DRM? I certainly don't see any. 

Well sony confirmed no internet connection required and gamestop confirmed used games can be traded... How the hell would they possibly enforce it?

The watermarked disc patent.

Sony admitted publishers are free to use DRM on PS4

Sony says online is not required for PS4

Sony patents a method to block used games without an internet connection.

1 + 1 +1 = 3

Yes, ignore the fact that sites reported sony denied the patent is in relation to the Ps4. Ignore the fact that gamestop confirmed Ps4 will allow trade ins.... that throws a wrench into that equation. The DRM sony confirmed really just sounds like online passes... "registering your game online"

You are aware Xbox One does the exact same thing correct.

In fact MS just announced ALL 1st party MS games will be able to be traded in at retail and that DRM is up to the publisher. At this point thinking the PS4 wont have DRM in some form is well...ignoring data.



Max King of the Wild said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
BenVTrigger said:
Max King of the Wild said:
It should be a bannable offense to group Sony into this.


Your joking?

You believe Sony will simply look at Activision, EA, and Ubisoft and tell them no? Sony filed the watermark patenr for a reason and its obvious. In fact Sony themselves have admitted it.  They said pre owned will be up tp the publisher. Same as MS. They also said PS4 wont require online.

Its obvious publishers will have the option of utilizing the watermarked discs and that most will indeed use them



Companies file patents all the time. Most of them are never used. Sony said the pantent doesn't concern the Ps4... Sorry bub

Give me a link that shows an official Sony response stating that PS4 wouldn't implement some sort of DRM? I certainly don't see any. 

Well sony confirmed no internet connection required and gamestop confirmed used games can be traded... How the hell would they possibly enforce it?

I believe what was stated that PS4 doesn't require a constant internet connection. Contant internet connection and no internet connection is a pretty big difference. 

Wrong: "PS4 games will be playable without an Internet connection."

I didn't say PS4 would need an internet connection to play games. 



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BenVTrigger said:
kitler53 said:
Netyaroze said:
Music CDs still exist Disc based Videogames should too. Choice is a good thing.


this.   hell, they still sell records. 


Indeed. 

And IOS has never sold a physical game in existance and is rapidly overgrowing the home console market. Its clear many people are prepared for a digital future, even if core gamers are not. Me included.

i just can't see IOs and MSony as being anywhere close to the same thing.  ..and i'll sum it up with this.

free apps to make up 89% of 2012 downloads.

"In terms of the apps that consumers are buying, 90 percent of the paid-for downloads cost less than $3 each," Sandy Shen, research director at Gartner, said in a statement.

when money doesn't exchange hands the same rules just don't apply. i don't care if i can resell a free game and  $1 games are much more disposible than $60 games.



kitler53 said:
BenVTrigger said:
kitler53 said:
Netyaroze said:
Music CDs still exist Disc based Videogames should too. Choice is a gooditthing.


this.   hell, they still sell records. 


Indeed. 

And IOS has never sold a physical game in existance and is rapidly overgrowing the home console market. Its clear many people are prepared for a digital future, even if core gamers are not. Me included.

i just can't see IOs and MSony as being anywhere close to the same thing.  ..and i'll sum it up with this.

free apps to make up 89% of 2012 downloads.

"In terms of the apps that consumers are buying, 90 percent of the paid-for downloads cost less than $3 each," Sandy Shen, research director at Gartner, said in a statement.

when money doesn't exchange hands the same rules just don't apply. i don't care if i can resell a free game and  $1 games are much more disposible than $60 games.

And ironically enough its now a well known fact both Sony and MS are massively investing in F2P games. In fact Mark Rein from Epic said its one of the major focuses on PS4 and X1. The gaming market is changing drastically.



Its the digital age people, we cannot live the past forever.



BenVTrigger said:
kitler53 said:
...

i just can't see IOs and MSony as being anywhere close to the same thing.  ..and i'll sum it up with this.

free apps to make up 89% of 2012 downloads.

"In terms of the apps that consumers are buying, 90 percent of the paid-for downloads cost less than $3 each," Sandy Shen, research director at Gartner, said in a statement.

when money doesn't exchange hands the same rules just don't apply. i don't care if i can resell a free game and  $1 games are much more disposible than $60 games.

And ironically enough its now a well known fact both Sony and MS are massively investing in F2P games. In fact Mark Rein from Epic said its one of the major focuses on PS4 and X1. The gaming market is changing drastically.

which is great and all, choice is awesome. ..but MS isn't putting a vast DRM infrastucture in place to protect free-to-play games.  there will be plenty of $60 (..or even $70 according to one rumor) games as well.  ..especially among the games that gamers want to play.  destiny, halo, CoD, uncharted won't be going free-to-play.



kitler53 said:
BenVTrigger said:
kitler53 said:
...

i just can't see IOs and MSony as being anywhere close to the same thing.  ..and i'll sum it up with this.

free apps to make up 89% of 2012 downloads.

"In terms of the apps that consumers are buying, 90 percent of the paid-for downloads cost less than $3 each," Sandy Shen, research director at Gartner, said in a statement.

when money doesn't exchange hands the same rules just don't apply. i don't care if i can resell a free game and  $1 games are much more disposible than $60 games.

And ironically enough its now a well known fact both Sony and MS are massively investing in F2P games. In fact Mark Rein from Epic said its one of the major focuses on PS4 and X1. The gaming market is changing drastically.

which is great and all, choice is awesome. ..but MS isn't putting a vast DRM infrastucture in place to protect free-to-play games.  there will be plenty of $60 (..or even $70 according to one rumor) games as well.  ..especially among the games that gamers want to play.  destiny, halo, CoD, uncharted won't be going free-to-play.

I agree.

But within 8 years physical media will be gone from gaming. Its simply inevitable at this point. Cheaper production, quicker to consumer, cut out the middleman, undermine the used market. Its a businesses wet dream even if it isnt a consumers. Steam and IOS have already proven it could work and PS4 and X1 are obviously designed to be the bridege in the gap from physical to digital. Their entire infasctructure is designed around this concept.