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Imaginedvl on 06 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
RazorDragon said:


If there's an online client for every third party game on the PS4, then what's the difference? You still wouldn't be able to play offline like with the new Xbox, the only difference is that a few selected games would work offline while the majority wouldn't. Anyway, we don't know yet if Sony is implementing or not any kind of DRM or how it works, but if the RFID patent is used on the PS4, you can expect no need for a online client for 3rd party games, since the disc would lock itself without the need of internet.


Not every third party wants to implement DRM, or at least I would suppose so. Many of them are hearing the crowd response from the net because quite a few of them actually listen and report back to their publishers. Activision and EA are the only publishers we can expect to force this on us. If they wanted to put DRM in a game they would enforce it on Nintendo as well via client, so yes it is different. MS is doing the work for them against us so they dont have to and forcing an azure network on Gamestop and used game sellers worldwide.

Sony and Nintendo would be more so in the same boat if this situation were to take place. As far as we know Sony and Nintendo are the only consoles where a game can be enjoyed offline majorly. On the Xbox you've been locked down and really, as it has always been the Xbox is useless without online as it is.

Good for you to believe that. There is no point for a publisher, not to do that. Sony knows it, but they will still play it like it is their "choice" :) Even Sony, as a publisher is going to do that too.



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fordy on 06 June 2013
superchunk said:

granted, but retailers like Gamestop have openly talked about MS system. They have not stated or even leaked/rumored anything for PS4.

While I think that Sony has always planned for a similar DRM (I've stated as such many times already), I do think they may have backtracked off of it completely due to the fallout MS has seen and the clear ability to differentiate themselves and their console in this manner.

 

Sony would most likely suffer a backlash from publishers if they promised them some kind of protection similar to Microsoft and then backed out of it halfway through the development cycle. They're all about giving the publishers more power, ever since the PS1.

It will be interesting to see what is confirmed at E3



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2013
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
RazorDragon said:


If there's an online client for every third party game on the PS4, then what's the difference? You still wouldn't be able to play offline like with the new Xbox, the only difference is that a few selected games would work offline while the majority wouldn't. Anyway, we don't know yet if Sony is implementing or not any kind of DRM or how it works, but if the RFID patent is used on the PS4, you can expect no need for a online client for 3rd party games, since the disc would lock itself without the need of internet.


Not every third party wants to implement DRM, or at least I would suppose so. Many of them are hearing the crowd response from the net because quite a few of them actually listen and report back to their publishers. Activision and EA are the only publishers we can expect to force this on us. If they wanted to put DRM in a game they would enforce it on Nintendo as well via client, so yes it is different. MS is doing the work for them against us so they dont have to and forcing an azure network on Gamestop and used game sellers worldwide.

Sony and Nintendo would be more so in the same boat if this situation were to take place. As far as we know Sony and Nintendo are the only consoles where a game can be enjoyed offline majorly. On the Xbox you've been locked down and really, as it has always been the Xbox is useless without online as it is.

Good for you to believe that. There is no point for a publisher, not to do that. Sony knows it, but they will still play it like it is their "choice" :) Even Sony, as a publisher is going to do that too.


 Based on what we've learned thus far now you guys are really grasping at straws. You know if it happens to Sony it will happen to Nintendo as well. Sony said they are not implmenting DRM, therefore the chances are low of them committing this on their own games. They'll probably keep the online pass which is more than fair. Microsoft unlike Sony took it upon themselves to enforce DRM on consumers, themselves. They've locked down Gamestop to the Azure network, which means we will hear from them on any used game.



Imaginedvl on 06 June 2013
Jabbamk1 said:


In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.



We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
OFFICIAL WORD FROM MS^

wow, as you posted very intelligent response so far; I would be interrested to get your opinion on this?
Personnaly, I love it.



Imaginedvl on 06 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
RazorDragon said:


If there's an online client for every third party game on the PS4, then what's the difference? You still wouldn't be able to play offline like with the new Xbox, the only difference is that a few selected games would work offline while the majority wouldn't. Anyway, we don't know yet if Sony is implementing or not any kind of DRM or how it works, but if the RFID patent is used on the PS4, you can expect no need for a online client for 3rd party games, since the disc would lock itself without the need of internet.


Not every third party wants to implement DRM, or at least I would suppose so. Many of them are hearing the crowd response from the net because quite a few of them actually listen and report back to their publishers. Activision and EA are the only publishers we can expect to force this on us. If they wanted to put DRM in a game they would enforce it on Nintendo as well via client, so yes it is different. MS is doing the work for them against us so they dont have to and forcing an azure network on Gamestop and used game sellers worldwide.

Sony and Nintendo would be more so in the same boat if this situation were to take place. As far as we know Sony and Nintendo are the only consoles where a game can be enjoyed offline majorly. On the Xbox you've been locked down and really, as it has always been the Xbox is useless without online as it is.

Good for you to believe that. There is no point for a publisher, not to do that. Sony knows it, but they will still play it like it is their "choice" :) Even Sony, as a publisher is going to do that too.


 Based on what we've learned thus far now you guys are really grasping at straws. You know if it happens to Sony it will happen to Nintendo as well. Sony said they are not implmenting DRM, therefore the chances are low of them committing this on their own games. They'll probably keep the online pass which is more than fair. Microsoft unlike Sony took it upon themselves to enforce DRM on consumers, themselves. They've locked down Gamestop to the Azure network, which means we will hear from them on any used game.

Okay, conspiracy theory now :) Keep going!



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Areym on 06 June 2013

Shit, I'll bash playstation just as much as I've bashed MS for trying/considering implementing all of this ridiculous, "game dictatorship", bullshit. They want us to use our consoles exactly the way they want us. Instead of giving the player of choosing how to game, we got a bunch of old farts deciding everything for us. If I want to play completely offline, I should be able to do so without any sort of blockage, DRM, etc. If I want to manually switch the CDs without being forced to install anything, I should be able. If I want to lend MY game to a friend to let them play it, they should be able to play it without a single restriction.

Alas, MS and Sony want to make as much money as possible, just like any company would. It is such a stupid move though, on either side.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2013
Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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 Based on what we've learned thus far now you guys are really grasping at straws. You know if it happens to Sony it will happen to Nintendo as well. Sony said they are not implmenting DRM, therefore the chances are low of them committing this on their own games. They'll probably keep the online pass which is more than fair. Microsoft unlike Sony took it upon themselves to enforce DRM on consumers, themselves. They've locked down Gamestop to the Azure network, which means we will hear from them on any used game.

Okay, conspiracy theory now :) Keep going!

Yes...such a conspiracy theory. You buy a game used, paywall goes up. The Azure system should be nothing new to you.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/05/24/microsoft-and-game-publishers-will-reportedly-take-a-cut-of-xbox-one-used-game-sales/

The Azure system will affect how consumers and Xbox Gamers purchase now at used game dealers. Gamestop is going to take it out on Xbox gamers. 

Gamestop stock dropped 5% the second this news came up.



Jabbamk1 on 06 June 2013
Imaginedvl said:
Jabbamk1 said:


In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.



We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
OFFICIAL WORD FROM MS^

wow, as you posted very intelligent response so far; I would be interrested to get your opinion on this?
Personnaly, I love it.


To be honest with you my friend i'd rather prefer if the consoles stayed the same way they do now. Where used games were allowed etc.. 

According to the website, you can trade your game to a friend. That's great, but then it's too restrictive because you can only trade it once. After that it's locked to the person you traded it too. 

You can't sell the games privately on ebay or amazon or whatever which is a negative for me. It's blocking me from making money back on a game. 

The fact that it says "participating retailers" means that some publishers may not even allow you to resell the game to gamestop at all. Again a negative. 

The good thing is that you can trade in games to stores so that is good. Also another positive is that the controlled used games market is likely to drive prices down for new games. However whether that actually happens will remain to be seen. 

I really can't see many positives with these policies unfortunately. I'd be surprised if someone didn't take MS to court in Europe for this. 

It seems like MS are trying to eradicate the need for discs and just go digital download early. But they've jumped the gun here. If Sony do something similar i'm buying a new graphics card for my PC. 

But this is just my opinion. It'll vary for everyone. personally i don't think it's good. 



Muffin31190 on 06 June 2013

This thread is just bad as all the other one's supporting sony and OP you are not helping by mocking people who are disagreeing with you, and sure this site's community favor's Sony more the MS or Nintendo but guess what .... this isn't the only gaming site on the internet, go to any american Website (IGN, Gamespot, or Kotaku) and you will see that those websites can support other console company's. All i'm sayin OP is be Respectful and intelligent and don't openly Mock people who differ from what you favor, and if it gets too much for you to handle with then leave no one is forcing you to be on this site


This is sad but one side of this whole debacle is goin to laugh in the Other's face and that side will feel like crap, so let the fanboy's be fanboy's and go play some damn games already.



MoHasanie on 06 June 2013

Well I'll be shocked if Sony doesn't block any used games on the PS4 because third party publishers will begin to favor Xbox One and give it exclusive content. As a customers I'm very happy Sony won't block used games but I don't want to own inferior versions of the game whilst Xbox One customers are playing the superior version and paying the same price.
More importantly, third party publishers will still block used games on the PS4 if they are given a choice. Why wouldn't they? They can earn more money by doing that.



    

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