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DanneSandin said:
the2real4mafol said:
KungKras said:
That's what happens when you concentrate immigrants in places that then becomes segregated. They need to be more spread out across the country. Swedish language classes not being mandatory is a problem for the integration as well...

This is the exact problem in the UK, i'm surprised there haven't been similar riots here to be honest. Unless the 2011 August riots in London happened due to racial tensions (i don't think they did). But it's like our government doesn't really want to admit that there are any many problems with the "open door" immigration policy and yet we are called "racists" if we want to cut immigration. What's the point in coming to a country with few jobs being created? 

I think this is a very widespread problem amongst most politicians in the Western world; they're more or less afraid to tackle these problems in fear of being called out as racists. I think this ignorance is the cause why Sweden has it's first anti-immigration party in the Riksdag (parlament) now.

It could also be said to have lead to the rise of parties like UKIP too, where limiting immigration is among their main policies who will probably win a handful of seats for the first time in 2015. But anyway, it's time politicians started thinking in the long term, on issues like immigration. Otherwise these countries will become increasingly worse off. i'm not sure how much this can be put to immigration but it seems wages have fallen, crime has increased and quality of life has fallen since mass immigration was allowed. Immigration can be a good thing, but not when you allow just about anyone in.  



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I am surprised it didn't already happen in Germany - we also have very big problems with integrating a specific group in our country. We spend a lot of money in language-courses but some people just don't want to become Germans.
Riots btw also already happened in the Netherlands and yet Germans politicians can't understand how it is possible that Gerd Wilders gets voted by so many people. They just don't see the problems which are aware to the people who actually have to live with immigrants.



the2real4mafol said:
DanneSandin said:
the2real4mafol said:
KungKras said:
That's what happens when you concentrate immigrants in places that then becomes segregated. They need to be more spread out across the country. Swedish language classes not being mandatory is a problem for the integration as well...

This is the exact problem in the UK, i'm surprised there haven't been similar riots here to be honest. Unless the 2011 August riots in London happened due to racial tensions (i don't think they did). But it's like our government doesn't really want to admit that there are any many problems with the "open door" immigration policy and yet we are called "racists" if we want to cut immigration. What's the point in coming to a country with few jobs being created? 

I think this is a very widespread problem amongst most politicians in the Western world; they're more or less afraid to tackle these problems in fear of being called out as racists. I think this ignorance is the cause why Sweden has it's first anti-immigration party in the Riksdag (parlament) now.

It could also be said to have lead to the rise of parties like UKIP too, where limiting immigration is among their main policies who will probably win a handful of seats for the first time in 2015. But anyway, it's time politicians started thinking in the long term, on issues like immigration. Otherwise these countries will become increasingly worse off. i'm not sure how much this can be put to immigration but it seems wages have fallen, crime has increased and quality of life has fallen since mass immigration was allowed. Immigration can be a good thing, but not when you allow just about anyone in.  

I actually don't think the core issue is immigrants themselves, but rather the intergration politics... Sweden saw a boom in immigrants in the 60's and 70's when we actuallu needed additional workforce, and those have gone on and integrated into the sociaty. It's when a country is taking in a lot of immigrants and not caring for them when problems arises. This is an issue here in Sweden, and that's why Sverige Demokraterna (the Swedish Democrates) have gain ground with their anti-immigration politics. I think they're actually the 4th biggest party right now in the parlament (from not having any seats in parlament the period before). I totally agree that politicians needs to wake the fuck up and plan long term.



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the2real4mafol said:

This is the exact problem in the UK, i'm surprised there haven't been similar riots here to be honest. Unless the 2011 August riots in London happened due to racial tensions (i don't think they did).

They did, at least in part. But once they weren't contained, opportunistic scumbags of all races decided to join in the festivities.



badgenome said:
the2real4mafol said:

This is the exact problem in the UK, i'm surprised there haven't been similar riots here to be honest. Unless the 2011 August riots in London happened due to racial tensions (i don't think they did).

They did, at least in part. But once they weren't contained, opportunistic scumbags of all races decided to join in the festivities.

That's usually how it goes down, isn't it?



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DanneSandin said:
the2real4mafol said:
 

It could also be said to have lead to the rise of parties like UKIP too, where limiting immigration is among their main policies who will probably win a handful of seats for the first time in 2015. But anyway, it's time politicians started thinking in the long term, on issues like immigration. Otherwise these countries will become increasingly worse off. i'm not sure how much this can be put to immigration but it seems wages have fallen, crime has increased and quality of life has fallen since mass immigration was allowed. Immigration can be a good thing, but not when you allow just about anyone in.

I actually don't think the core issue is immigrants themselves, but rather the intergration politics... Sweden saw a boom in immigrants in the 60's and 70's when we actuallu needed additional workforce, and those have gone on and integrated into the sociaty. It's when a country is taking in a lot of immigrants and not caring for them when problems arises. This is an issue here in Sweden, and that's why Sverige Demokraterna (the Swedish Democrates) have gain ground with their anti-immigration politics. I think they're actually the 4th biggest party right now in the parlament (from not having any seats in parlament the period before). I totally agree that politicians needs to wake the fuck up and plan long term.


I think this is only a part of the truth. We also had a lot of immigrants in Germany after WWII and mostly they came from Italy, Spain and Greece. After that our economy was established and then other immigrants followed, mostly from Turkey. We never had real problems with italiens, spanish or greece people but still today with turkish people, nowadays generally with people from the middle-east. I don't know why they are so special as they are the only ones we have problems with. Even other immigrants moan about these people and don't understand why they refuse to integrate in our society.



walsufnir said:
DanneSandin said:
the2real4mafol said:
 
 

It could also be said to have lead to the rise of parties like UKIP too, where limiting immigration is among their main policies who will probably win a handful of seats for the first time in 2015. But anyway, it's time politicians started thinking in the long term, on issues like immigration. Otherwise these countries will become increasingly worse off. i'm not sure how much this can be put to immigration but it seems wages have fallen, crime has increased and quality of life has fallen since mass immigration was allowed. Immigration can be a good thing, but not when you allow just about anyone in.

I actually don't think the core issue is immigrants themselves, but rather the intergration politics... Sweden saw a boom in immigrants in the 60's and 70's when we actuallu needed additional workforce, and those have gone on and integrated into the sociaty. It's when a country is taking in a lot of immigrants and not caring for them when problems arises. This is an issue here in Sweden, and that's why Sverige Demokraterna (the Swedish Democrates) have gain ground with their anti-immigration politics. I think they're actually the 4th biggest party right now in the parlament (from not having any seats in parlament the period before). I totally agree that politicians needs to wake the fuck up and plan long term.


I think this is only a part of the truth. We also had a lot of immigrants in Germany after WWII and mostly they came from Italy, Spain and Greece. After that our economy was established and then other immigrants followed, mostly from Turkey. We never had real problems with italiens, spanish or greece people but still today with turkish people, nowadays generally with people from the middle-east. I don't know why they are so special as they are the only ones we have problems with. Even other immigrants moan about these people and don't understand why they refuse to integrate in our society.

Honestly, immigrants complain about other immigrants like hell. I've heard a kurd bitching about arabs, and arabs bithcing about africans (boy, that is SUCH a generalization!!) and so on and so forth. I think it gets harder to integrate into a society the firther away you came originally simply because the difference in cultures will be wider. Italians, Spaniards and Greeks are all Europeans and we all share some cultural history, while if you're from Turkey (or anywhere from the Middle East) the cultural difference will be even bigger.

And the question is if we as a society is better at integrating other Europeans. I've heard of doctors and and professors from the Middle East and India working as bus drivers, or other "low end" jobs - their competence isn't taken advantage of.



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DanneSandin said:
the2real4mafol said:
DanneSandin said:
the2real4mafol said:
KungKras said:
That's what happens when you concentrate immigrants in places that then becomes segregated. They need to be more spread out across the country. Swedish language classes not being mandatory is a problem for the integration as well...

This is the exact problem in the UK, i'm surprised there haven't been similar riots here to be honest. Unless the 2011 August riots in London happened due to racial tensions (i don't think they did). But it's like our government doesn't really want to admit that there are any many problems with the "open door" immigration policy and yet we are called "racists" if we want to cut immigration. What's the point in coming to a country with few jobs being created? 

I think this is a very widespread problem amongst most politicians in the Western world; they're more or less afraid to tackle these problems in fear of being called out as racists. I think this ignorance is the cause why Sweden has it's first anti-immigration party in the Riksdag (parlament) now.

It could also be said to have lead to the rise of parties like UKIP too, where limiting immigration is among their main policies who will probably win a handful of seats for the first time in 2015. But anyway, it's time politicians started thinking in the long term, on issues like immigration. Otherwise these countries will become increasingly worse off. i'm not sure how much this can be put to immigration but it seems wages have fallen, crime has increased and quality of life has fallen since mass immigration was allowed. Immigration can be a good thing, but not when you allow just about anyone in.  

I actually don't think the core issue is immigrants themselves, but rather the intergration politics... Sweden saw a boom in immigrants in the 60's and 70's when we actuallu needed additional workforce, and those have gone on and integrated into the sociaty. It's when a country is taking in a lot of immigrants and not caring for them when problems arises. This is an issue here in Sweden, and that's why Sverige Demokraterna (the Swedish Democrates) have gain ground with their anti-immigration politics. I think they're actually the 4th biggest party right now in the parlament (from not having any seats in parlament the period before). I totally agree that politicians needs to wake the fuck up and plan long term.

"not caring"? Really?

We "care" for them too much. There are dozens of government programs that are directed to immigrants specifically, actually discriminating native Swedes as a side-effect. None of these programs or special support existed in the 60's and 70's.

Nobody in the whole world cares so much about the foreigner as the Swede does, ignoring his own people in the process.

The more we care the more they demand in an endless spiral which will go on until the natives have gone extinct.



DanneSandin said:
walsufnir said:


I think this is only a part of the truth. We also had a lot of immigrants in Germany after WWII and mostly they came from Italy, Spain and Greece. After that our economy was established and then other immigrants followed, mostly from Turkey. We never had real problems with italiens, spanish or greece people but still today with turkish people, nowadays generally with people from the middle-east. I don't know why they are so special as they are the only ones we have problems with. Even other immigrants moan about these people and don't understand why they refuse to integrate in our society.

Honestly, immigrants complain about other immigrants like hell. I've heard a kurd bitching about arabs, and arabs bithcing about africans (boy, that is SUCH a generalization!!) and so on and so forth. I think it gets harder to integrate into a society the firther away you came originally simply because the difference in cultures will be wider. Italians, Spaniards and Greeks are all Europeans and we all share some cultural history, while if you're from Turkey (or anywhere from the Middle East) the cultural difference will be even bigger.


Oh, I once thought this, too, but surprisingly we have close to no problems integrating asians (I heard that arabic people are called "asians" in UK but I am talking about "real" asians here). We have a lot of vietnamese, japanese and chinese people here. I wouldn't say they are as integrated as many others but they focus on a very good education for their children and want them to study which a lot of these do after school. These are the people we need: well-educated people who don't disrespect the country that offers them all the choices they have. Not people who think religion is an important thing in their life - in a way that living together with other people is nearly impossible.



DanneSandin said:

Honestly, immigrants complain about other immigrants like hell. I've heard a kurd bitching about arabs, and arabs bithcing about africans (boy, that is SUCH a generalization!!) and so on and so forth. I think it gets harder to integrate into a society the firther away you came originally simply because the difference in cultures will be wider. Italians, Spaniards and Greeks are all Europeans and we all share some cultural history, while if you're from Turkey (or anywhere from the Middle East) the cultural difference will be even bigger.

And the question is if we as a society is better at integrating other Europeans. I've heard of doctors and and professors from the Middle East and India working as bus drivers, or other "low end" jobs - their competence isn't taken advantage of.

That's just nasty leftist propaganda. What do you mean "competence isn't taken advantage of"? What competence?? If you're a specialist in one field it doesn't automatically mean you are good at any other job. In Sweden we have high standards for health care professionals, and if you can't meet those standards you simply don't get a license. That's the the reason why there's many medical doctor's with a third world education not being able to work as doctors in Sweden, because they simply have failed to meet the standards despite being allowed to enter training programs for foreign doctors at Swedish hospitals (and actually the standards are set lower for the foreign doctor than what they are for a native one).

I'm a doctor myself, but I'm not particularly good at anything else. If I lose my doctor's license I would be forced to work as a taxi driver too.