http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJsnv150ruc

I know console gamers who have had their consoles for decades and no longer own their PC's. PC's are being upgraded and replaced at a faster rate than consoles even come out. 

As long as valve exists and has their cloud running you have your games, yes. Still doesn't change the fact of true ownership. Valve is protecting a license, not ownership.

Prices for games on pc will always be cheaper. Being able to buy and sell used games offset that to some degree. It doesn't look like it will anymore.

I've got a mid level PC where I could run most games this generation on ultra at 60fps or higher. However, I prefer to buy my multiconsole games on consoles with 30fps, sometimes less if they're crappy ports, because I actually own the disc. I can no longer do that with PC games, and it's been that way for quite some time.

On PC, your discs are nothing more than show anymore. All you need is that code in the box. Once you use that code, your disc is pretty much a coaster. If you use the same disc on another PC. Doesn't matter without the code. So the disc has no value whatsoever.

The Xbox One is the same. Whether used games charge a fee or not. The disc is still tied to an account. When the Xbox One is no longer a relevant console, the discs will be coasters.

If games are going to be tied down to the console, then there's no difference between the console and a computer anymore. Because of that, I'll no longer continue paying high prices when I can get the games for less than $20 no more than a few months after release. I'll buy Wii U games and if the PS4 isn't full of DRM, then I'll buy PS4 games. but unless Xbox One comes with a lot of must have exclusives, I'm not purchasing the system. If PS4 has the same DRM as the Xbox One, the same will apply and when, if, I purchase the consoles, I'll only purchase exclusives while other consoles and PC will be my multiconsole systems.

There's no difference from this than the Xbox One.  When Xbox One servers are gone, you no longer have access to those games.   Those discs will be worthless.

Why pay $500 and be tied to a seperate console when it's essentially what PC has become?

You'll never be disappointed in a console launch ever again. LOL.

But what about in the future when you update your computer or get a new one and that OS doesnt run older games? This has been an issue for me, moreso than the anything else. I tried to play FF7 PC version but Vista would not run it. There was a work around but it was like 50 freaking steps, not very user friendly.

there are ways.  some guy described a really good method on this site months back.   basically it all comes down to this:  opt in.   the installation and account locking is great.. for those that like it.  but for those that don't let them continue to do their thing with discs.  when you put a disc into your console you get a message "install?  yes  no"  (you could even have a default setting in the OS) and then everyone is happy.

things is... i don't believe for a second EA/MS is doing this to give you the "freedom" of a digital ecosystem.  this is all because they want that 10% cut of the used game market they've villainized the last 3-5 years.  that's the reason the feature is a cluster-fuck.   they didn't approach the problem correctly.  if they approached it as "how to we empower the consumer" we'd have a better solution.  instead they approached it as "how do we get more money" and people see through that shit.

I don't know man... I for one don't think the limitations on next gen games buying trading and selling will be as tight as you say they are.

Microsoft really isnt the one pushing game DRM hard here... they want you to buy the console, subscribe to XBL and use their services...Skype, Skydrive, IE, Bing, Windows ported apps...good to go! Them and Sony are mostly implementing DRM for 3rd parties but at the same time the cannot piss off retail.

I personally believe that Microsoft has 5-10 different DRM scenarios in mind which they are testing with retail and publishig partners and once they find the best solution for everyone they will eveal it to us and how it works.

well i hope they come up with something better than what Nsanity posted. 

i think always online is a mistake.  developing markets just can't guarentee to have internet access and as the undertracking here proves developing markets are pretty big.  hell, one of my co-workers doesn't have his xbox hooked up simply because his gaming room is too far from his router to get a signal.

i dunno - in all honest i don't have a lot of room to complain.  i think i've said this before i was more or less planning to go full digital next gen anyways.  being able to download from disc instead of the net isn't really a bad deal for me.  but i recognize i'm also the minority (or at least not the vast majority).  i don't know if you spend any time in the vita thread but it gets hijacked every month or so by someone complaining about digital only releases and their personal objection to non physical media.  that discussion has been going on for years now so it's not like this discussion is brand new or anything.

Physical disks take too much space, I have soo much games and its a pain to move them around, lately I am planning on selling them, Steam is a good thing for me, I own the games on Steam but not download them until I want to play them, and then after playing them I can just delete them, so I can play anything else, I actually used to think the way you think (I rather own a physical copy because its physical) I rather have everything digitally nowadays, except books, since physical copies are very half assed anyways, but even books are sometimes hard to find (at my place they ban books a lot), so digital is a really good thing, not bad.