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theprof00 on 21 May 2013
disolitude said:
theprof00 said:
disolitude said:

Yeah and I look forward to seeing your face once Sony implements a similar DRM system or are scrambling to implement it as we speak since they realize they can't compete in the digital distribution world without it.

I guess those kids you're so very concerned about will be playing their PS3s for many years to come.

Sony already said you'll be able to stream games to friends for free.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/20/playstation-4-game-streaming/

What does your face look like right now?

 

And bolded is untrue. You can be competitive in DD without charging everyone for every little thing. Just look at PS+ sales for evidence.


Please...This article states that Sony has hopes and dreams of allowing you to give your friends temporary control of the game, meant for helping you pass a certain level or boss fight.  Try logging out of your profile while streaming and see what happens with your friend trying to play your game.

This whole Sony = good and wil give everything for free while Microsoft = evil and will charge for everything they can is getting old. They both charge for everything they can, Sony just pretends to feel bad for it in to public.

Have you people never bought a game on PSN or Xbox live? Its exactly how current gen DRM works for DD titles. This isn't anything new...

rolls eyes. Ok dude whatever.

Sony wants players to be able to let their friends control the game online.
MS won't let your friends borrow your games.

Same thing.



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disolitude on 21 May 2013
kitler53 said:

if digital is the future and everyone is going to buy digitally they why should MS or sony force the issue?  why not making playing a game from a disc possible so that taking that disc and (via an internet connection) downloading it to a user account is a feature?

someone a few months back layed out this great plan where you can basically transfer your license between a disc and an account giving you all the awesome of digital AND all the awesome of physical.

don't get me wrong, i'm going to be a digital guy for sure.  but seriously, there are people that simply can't afford to pay the bill for a monthly internet connection in their home.

20% of American Households Still Offline

digital might be the future but you can't be blind to the realities of today.

Keep in mind that the disc you get with your retail purchas on Xbox One is just a distribution device. All you have to do is install it and that game is forever tied to your Xbox live ID. You can pretty much throw the disc in the garabge as you will be able to download this game for a long time to come. If Microsoft gives gamers the ability to trade or re-sell their used games like they are saying they will, they really are going a step beyond anything anyone else has ever implemented for digitally distributed software. You could even say they re being generous, if they offer this feature...

In terms of users without intenet, I expect Microsoft to announce that you are able to play and install the game without an internet connection if you keep the disc in the console. they are not stupid and its the only option that makes sense...



disolitude on 21 May 2013
NightDragon83 said:
I'd have no problem with this IF in fact Sony and M$ along with 3rd parties follow Steams's lead and aggressively price games, rather than every single "retail release" (AAA or not) have a fixed MSRP at $60. They are essentially cutting out the middle man here, so there's no reason to charge $60 for 95% of games.

Also... I've had no problem with paying for XBL in the past because it's been a great service, but if going forward you have to not only pay all of these premiums like a "used game" fee or other such fees, but also pay a monthly rate just to get the basics that XBL offers, then M$ has seriously overestimated what the average consumer is willing to spend on a device that primarily plays games.

Don't forget disolitude.. while you rightly praise the possibility that this will open up the path to aggressive pricing by developers and publishers on consoles, on the other hand the entry fee to console gaming has also steeply increased for the average consumer just by the simple fact that without an internet connection, and a damn good one at that, the console will be all but useless. You won't even be able to play the boxed games you purchased at retail without an online connection to verify the installation and link it to your profile. So this could all add up pretty quickly for the average consumer before they've even gotten a change to pop in their first game.

I expect a lot of clarity to come for this at e3. they have to implement a method which allows for game installs without internet connection. I suspect it will most likely involve keeping the game in the bluray drive while gaming much like you do with current gen and somesort of a phone authentication lol



theprof00 on 21 May 2013
disolitude said:
kitler53 said:

if digital is the future and everyone is going to buy digitally they why should MS or sony force the issue?  why not making playing a game from a disc possible so that taking that disc and (via an internet connection) downloading it to a user account is a feature?

someone a few months back layed out this great plan where you can basically transfer your license between a disc and an account giving you all the awesome of digital AND all the awesome of physical.

don't get me wrong, i'm going to be a digital guy for sure.  but seriously, there are people that simply can't afford to pay the bill for a monthly internet connection in their home.

20% of American Households Still Offline

digital might be the future but you can't be blind to the realities of today.

Keep in mind that the disc you get with your retail purchas on Xbox One is just a distribution device. All you have to do is install it and that game is forever tied to your Xbox live ID. You can pretty much throw the disc in the garabge as you will be able to download this game for a long time to come. If Microsoft gives gamers the ability to trade or re-sell their used games like they are saying they will, they really are going a step beyond anything anyone else has ever implemented for digitally distributed software. You could even say they re being generous, if they offer this feature...

In terms of users without intenet, I expect Microsoft to announce that you are able to play and install the game without an internet connection if you keep the disc in the console. they are not stupid and its the only option that makes sense...

Except that doesn't prevent used game sales at all.



kitler53 on 21 May 2013
disolitude said:
kitler53 said:

if digital is the future and everyone is going to buy digitally they why should MS or sony force the issue?  why not making playing a game from a disc possible so that taking that disc and (via an internet connection) downloading it to a user account is a feature?

someone a few months back layed out this great plan where you can basically transfer your license between a disc and an account giving you all the awesome of digital AND all the awesome of physical.

don't get me wrong, i'm going to be a digital guy for sure.  but seriously, there are people that simply can't afford to pay the bill for a monthly internet connection in their home.

20% of American Households Still Offline

digital might be the future but you can't be blind to the realities of today.

Keep in mind that the disc you get with your retail purchas on Xbox One is just a distribution device. All you have to do is install it and that game is forever tied to your Xbox live ID. You can pretty much throw the disc in the garabge as you will be able to download this game for a long time to come. If Microsoft gives gamers the ability to trade or re-sell their used games like they are saying they will, they really are going a step beyond anything anyone else has ever implemented for digitally distributed software. You could even say they re being generous, if they offer this feature...

In terms of users without intenet, I expect Microsoft to announce that you are able to play and install the game without an internet connection if you keep the disc in the console. they are not stupid and its the only option that makes sense...

i dunno man.  i mean, it could be just simple confusion or maybe ms changes their policy or whatever but what i read today is that you are required to be online when you insert the disc into the console and you are required to ping the internet once every 24 hours.

if they aren't stupid for implemention those features they are stupid for making official statements that make it look like they did..



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disolitude on 21 May 2013
theprof00 said:
disolitude said:
kitler53 said:

if digital is the future and everyone is going to buy digitally they why should MS or sony force the issue?  why not making playing a game from a disc possible so that taking that disc and (via an internet connection) downloading it to a user account is a feature?

someone a few months back layed out this great plan where you can basically transfer your license between a disc and an account giving you all the awesome of digital AND all the awesome of physical.

don't get me wrong, i'm going to be a digital guy for sure.  but seriously, there are people that simply can't afford to pay the bill for a monthly internet connection in their home.

20% of American Households Still Offline

digital might be the future but you can't be blind to the realities of today.

Keep in mind that the disc you get with your retail purchas on Xbox One is just a distribution device. All you have to do is install it and that game is forever tied to your Xbox live ID. You can pretty much throw the disc in the garabge as you will be able to download this game for a long time to come. If Microsoft gives gamers the ability to trade or re-sell their used games like they are saying they will, they really are going a step beyond anything anyone else has ever implemented for digitally distributed software. You could even say they re being generous, if they offer this feature...

In terms of users without intenet, I expect Microsoft to announce that you are able to play and install the game without an internet connection if you keep the disc in the console. they are not stupid and its the only option that makes sense...

Except that doesn't prevent used game sales at all.

Sure it does. Have you never activated Windows over the phone? Keeping a game in the console + phone activation for the install would be needed to make this happen. That is if they intend the gamers to allow to transfer user licenses to other consoles like they are saying that they will elaborate on at E3. If that doesn't happen, only phone activation would be needed...



NightDragon83 on 21 May 2013
disolitude said:
NightDragon83 said:
I'd have no problem with this IF in fact Sony and M$ along with 3rd parties follow Steams's lead and aggressively price games, rather than every single "retail release" (AAA or not) have a fixed MSRP at $60. They are essentially cutting out the middle man here, so there's no reason to charge $60 for 95% of games.

Also... I've had no problem with paying for XBL in the past because it's been a great service, but if going forward you have to not only pay all of these premiums like a "used game" fee or other such fees, but also pay a monthly rate just to get the basics that XBL offers, then M$ has seriously overestimated what the average consumer is willing to spend on a device that primarily plays games.

Don't forget disolitude.. while you rightly praise the possibility that this will open up the path to aggressive pricing by developers and publishers on consoles, on the other hand the entry fee to console gaming has also steeply increased for the average consumer just by the simple fact that without an internet connection, and a damn good one at that, the console will be all but useless. You won't even be able to play the boxed games you purchased at retail without an online connection to verify the installation and link it to your profile. So this could all add up pretty quickly for the average consumer before they've even gotten a change to pop in their first game.

I expect a lot of clarity to come for this at e3. they have to implement a method which allows for game installs without internet connection. I suspect it will most likely involve keeping the game in the bluray drive while gaming much like you do with current gen and somesort of a phone authentication lol

LoL @ "phone authentication".  Sweet, I can't wait to order some PPV movies and events through my Xbox 1!



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

theprof00 on 21 May 2013
disolitude said:
theprof00 said:
disolitude said:
kitler53 said:

if digital is the future and everyone is going to buy digitally they why should MS or sony force the issue?  why not making playing a game from a disc possible so that taking that disc and (via an internet connection) downloading it to a user account is a feature?

someone a few months back layed out this great plan where you can basically transfer your license between a disc and an account giving you all the awesome of digital AND all the awesome of physical.

don't get me wrong, i'm going to be a digital guy for sure.  but seriously, there are people that simply can't afford to pay the bill for a monthly internet connection in their home.

20% of American Households Still Offline

digital might be the future but you can't be blind to the realities of today.

Keep in mind that the disc you get with your retail purchas on Xbox One is just a distribution device. All you have to do is install it and that game is forever tied to your Xbox live ID. You can pretty much throw the disc in the garabge as you will be able to download this game for a long time to come. If Microsoft gives gamers the ability to trade or re-sell their used games like they are saying they will, they really are going a step beyond anything anyone else has ever implemented for digitally distributed software. You could even say they re being generous, if they offer this feature...

In terms of users without intenet, I expect Microsoft to announce that you are able to play and install the game without an internet connection if you keep the disc in the console. they are not stupid and its the only option that makes sense...

Except that doesn't prevent used game sales at all.

Sure it does. Have you never activated Windows over the phone? Keeping a game in the console + phone activation for the install would be needed to make this happen. That is if they intend the gamers to allow to transfer user licenses to other consoles like they are saying that they will elaborate on at E3. If that doesn't happen, only phone activation would be needed...

And then the Ms sends an "all clear" to your One by magic? Maybe they chant some words over the line while you put your phone up to it.

Even better, I bet there is a dock. It only works with windows phone though. But that's not a big deal, right? Good business :D



coolguy on 21 May 2013

Game discs are not dead yet



VITA 32 GIG CARD.250 GIG SLIM & 160 GIG PHAT PS3

disolitude on 21 May 2013
NightDragon83 said:
disolitude said:
NightDragon83 said:
I'd have no problem with this IF in fact Sony and M$ along with 3rd parties follow Steams's lead and aggressively price games, rather than every single "retail release" (AAA or not) have a fixed MSRP at $60. They are essentially cutting out the middle man here, so there's no reason to charge $60 for 95% of games.

Also... I've had no problem with paying for XBL in the past because it's been a great service, but if going forward you have to not only pay all of these premiums like a "used game" fee or other such fees, but also pay a monthly rate just to get the basics that XBL offers, then M$ has seriously overestimated what the average consumer is willing to spend on a device that primarily plays games.

Don't forget disolitude.. while you rightly praise the possibility that this will open up the path to aggressive pricing by developers and publishers on consoles, on the other hand the entry fee to console gaming has also steeply increased for the average consumer just by the simple fact that without an internet connection, and a damn good one at that, the console will be all but useless. You won't even be able to play the boxed games you purchased at retail without an online connection to verify the installation and link it to your profile. So this could all add up pretty quickly for the average consumer before they've even gotten a change to pop in their first game.

I expect a lot of clarity to come for this at e3. they have to implement a method which allows for game installs without internet connection. I suspect it will most likely involve keeping the game in the bluray drive while gaming much like you do with current gen and somesort of a phone authentication lol

LoL @ "phone authentication".  Sweet, I can't wait to order some PPV movies and events through my Xbox 1!

You may laugh and I would too had I not had to do a phone activation for Windows 7 and 8 twice in the last 6 months. Hard drive swap and motherboard failure made it so had to call in and read a massive code to match to the code of my license...etc. Anywho its a lot more sohisticated than you may think.