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What looks more powerful?

CPU's 2  1 1
CPU Cores 8 8
GPU 1 1
GPU Compute Units 18 12
GPU Stream Processors 1152 768
RAM 5 3
RAM Bandwidth 8192MB @ 176GB per sec 8192MB @ 68.3GB per sec
On Chip Memory 0 32MB @ 102GB per sec


 







 

 

Edit - 3 dedicated chips, no second CPU



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KBG29 said:

What looks more powerful?

CPU's 2 1
CPU Cores 8 8
GPU 1 1
GPU Compute Units 18 12
GPU Stream Processors 1152 768
RAM 5 3
RAM Bandwidth 8192MB @ 176GB per sec 8192MB @ 68.3GB per sec
On Chip Memory 0 32MB @ 102GB per sec


 







 

 

I'll take the one with 2 CPU's.

 

But which console has 2 CPU's?



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Viper1 said:
KBG29 said:

What looks more powerful?

CPU's 2 1 1
CPU Cores 8 8
GPU 1 1
GPU Compute Units 18 12
GPU Stream Processors 1152 768
RAM 5 3
RAM Bandwidth 8192MB @ 176GB per sec 8192MB @ 68.3GB per sec
On Chip Memory 0 32MB @ 102GB per sec


 







 

 

I'll take the one with 2 CPU's.

 

But which console has 2 CPU's?

As far as I understand the one on the left has a CPU dedicated to Audio/Video/Networking. So far I have heard no mention of the other one having this.

Edit - PS4 has 3 seperate co-processors for A/V/N



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PS4 is better, i suppose thats that



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VGKing said:
Bong Lover said:
VGKing said:
 

There is all this evidence in the form of rumors and leaks combined with the info given(or not given) out today + taking into account the costs that a Kinect 2.0 would add + researching what type of RAM would best suited an App-focused platform = The next XBox is using DDR3.

I made a logical conclusion from all this information I have gathered. It wasn't a random guess or what I hope is true. I just layed out to you how I came to this conclusion. No mistakes were made on my part.

Hmmm, I didn't anticipate this to be so difficult to understand. Let me try to simplify.

It doesn't matter what all kinds of evidence is saying. The point is that no matter if your conclusion turns out to be true or not, the argument you built to show it is invalid. What's more, it's been known to be invalid for over 2000 years.

So, stop trying to think of this as you being right about which machine is stronger, the actual specs of the two machines is completely irrelevant to wether your argument is sound or not. Unfortunately, the case you built is logically invalid, and it will remain invalid for 10 000 years and beyond. That is my point. I want you, and everyone else on this site, to stop making arguments that are logically incorrect.

My argument was correct. I formed a LOGICAL conclusion based on info we knew.

Think of it like this, gunshots are heard, neighbor calls the cops, dead wife is found, gun is found with fingerprints of the husband, husband is nowhere to be found. 1 + 1 = 2

Your argument was not correct, as it is relying on a well known logical fallacy. The fallacy has it's own name if you want to know more about it: affirming the consequent

Think of it like this, what does these three arguments have in common?

 

If Xbox One is weaker than PS4 Then Microsoft will not boast of the specs.

Microsoft did not boast of the specs.

Therefore Xbox One is weaker than PS4.

 

If the husband murdered his wife Then his fingerprints were on the gun

His fingerprints were on the gun

Therefore the husband murdered the wife

 

If it is raining Then the streets are wet

The streets are wet

Therefore it is raining

 

All three arguments are logically incorrect and based on a fallacy. You formed a conclusion, but it was not a logical conclusion from your premise.



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No one knows for sure since M$ didnt reveal much of their specs. But im betting its the PS4 because if the Xbox was more powerful they would have mentioned it. Not this 6.1 Billion transistors statistic they pulled.



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KBG29 said:
Viper1 said:
KBG29 said:

What looks more powerful?

CPU's 2 1
CPU Cores 8 8
GPU 1 1
GPU Compute Units 18 12
GPU Stream Processors 1152 768
RAM 5 3
RAM Bandwidth 8192MB @ 176GB per sec 8192MB @ 68.3GB per sec
On Chip Memory 0 32MB @ 102GB per sec


 







 

 

I'll take the one with 2 CPU's.

 

But which console has 2 CPU's?

As far as I understand the one on the left has a CPU dedicated to Audio/Video/Networking. So far I have heard no mention of the other one having this.

Oh, that.  That's not another CPU.  CPU is a Central Processing Unit.  If it just handles a few periphery functions, it's not 'central'.  And most consoles have had these 'co-processors' for a very long time now.   It still has just 1 CPU.   



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KBG29 said:

What looks more powerful?

CPU's 2 1
CPU Cores 8 8
GPU 1 1
GPU Compute Units 18 12
GPU Stream Processors 1152 768
RAM 5 3
RAM Bandwidth 8192MB @ 176GB per sec 8192MB @ 68.3GB per sec
On Chip Memory 0 32MB @ 102GB per sec


 







 

 

What the hell is this? It's certainly not the PS4 or Xbox One specs.



Bong Lover said:
VGKing said:
Bong Lover said:
VGKing said:
 

There is all this evidence in the form of rumors and leaks combined with the info given(or not given) out today + taking into account the costs that a Kinect 2.0 would add + researching what type of RAM would best suited an App-focused platform = The next XBox is using DDR3.

I made a logical conclusion from all this information I have gathered. It wasn't a random guess or what I hope is true. I just layed out to you how I came to this conclusion. No mistakes were made on my part.

Hmmm, I didn't anticipate this to be so difficult to understand. Let me try to simplify.

It doesn't matter what all kinds of evidence is saying. The point is that no matter if your conclusion turns out to be true or not, the argument you built to show it is invalid. What's more, it's been known to be invalid for over 2000 years.

So, stop trying to think of this as you being right about which machine is stronger, the actual specs of the two machines is completely irrelevant to wether your argument is sound or not. Unfortunately, the case you built is logically invalid, and it will remain invalid for 10 000 years and beyond. That is my point. I want you, and everyone else on this site, to stop making arguments that are logically incorrect.

My argument was correct. I formed a LOGICAL conclusion based on info we knew.

Think of it like this, gunshots are heard, neighbor calls the cops, dead wife is found, gun is found with fingerprints of the husband, husband is nowhere to be found. 1 + 1 = 2

Your argument was not correct, as it is relying on a well known logical fallacy. The fallacy has it's own name if you want to know more about it: affirming the consequent

Think of it like this, what does these three arguments have in common?

 

If Xbox One is weaker than PS4 Then Microsoft will not boast of the specs.

Microsoft did not boast of the specs.

Therefore Xbox One is weaker than PS4.

 

If the husband murdered his wife Then his fingerprints were on the gun

His fingerprints were on the gun

Therefore the husband murdered the wife

 

If it is raining Then the streets are wet

The streets are wet

Therefore it is raining

 

All three arguments are logically incorrect and based on a fallacy. You formed a conclusion, but it was not a logical conclusion from your premise.

This is getting annoying. You're implying that my whole argument was based on If A Then B; B, => AIt's not. I didn't think I needed to clarify this. I explained in my previous comments exactly how I came to my conclusion and the comment you're obsessing about is only one of the many points that led me to most logical conclusion.

Going by to my previous analogy, further investiation finds that the husband has a history of violent behavior and multiple arrests. 



Well, there is no question that the PS4 has a more powerful GPU at 1.8 TFlops vs Xbox One with 1.2 TFlops. And the PS4 has faster ram, but that ram also has a higher latency. So we will have to see how that works out. I have a feeling it is also going to be a pain to program for the new PlayStation, all over again.

The big difference I see is something I got from one of the tech talks from Microsoft and Sony's tech spec. It looks like the PS4 CPU's will make one execution per CPU per cycle, while the Xbox One will make 6(!) executions per CPU per cycle. That make the Xbox One's CPU looks significantly more powerful. I am not sure if this is a misunderstanding or some magic they are doing with the cache. But it sounds like the Xbox One might be better in the CPU department.

Then will we have arguing over which is more powerful all over again.

Additional Info: "Some performance numbers were given for the CPU and GPU themselves but these cast more shadow than they do light. Microsoft claimed that each CPU core can perform six operations per cycle. The CPU is believed to be using AMD's Jaguar core, but typically this would only be described as able to handle four operations per cycle; two each of integer and floating point (though even here counting operations is complicated; the floating point operations could use vector instructions such as SSE2, in which case one operation would result in four actual computations, potentially giving eight per cycle for floating point alone)."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-talks-about-xbox-ones-internals-while-disclosing-nothing/



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

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