Well, there is no question that the PS4 has a more powerful GPU at 1.8 TFlops vs Xbox One with 1.2 TFlops. And the PS4 has faster ram, but that ram also has a higher latency. So we will have to see how that works out. I have a feeling it is also going to be a pain to program for the new PlayStation, all over again.

The big difference I see is something I got from one of the tech talks from Microsoft and Sony's tech spec. It looks like the PS4 CPU's will make one execution per CPU per cycle, while the Xbox One will make 6(!) executions per CPU per cycle. That make the Xbox One's CPU looks significantly more powerful. I am not sure if this is a misunderstanding or some magic they are doing with the cache. But it sounds like the Xbox One might be better in the CPU department.

Then will we have arguing over which is more powerful all over again.

Additional Info: "Some performance numbers were given for the CPU and GPU themselves but these cast more shadow than they do light. Microsoft claimed that each CPU core can perform six operations per cycle. The CPU is believed to be using AMD's Jaguar core, but typically this would only be described as able to handle four operations per cycle; two each of integer and floating point (though even here counting operations is complicated; the floating point operations could use vector instructions such as SSE2, in which case one operation would result in four actual computations, potentially giving eight per cycle for floating point alone)."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-talks-about-xbox-ones-internals-while-disclosing-nothing/

OK, so besides the miss understanding of the 3 dedicated processors for A/V/N on PS4 what else on this list does not match what has been announced by each company?

At least we agree on something, as this is indeed getting annoying, I am not sure we agree on when it got annoying though.

Anyhow, you're assertion was that there mere fact that Microsoft didn't boast of their specs was proof that their console is weaker. 'The mere fact' means that that fact and that fact alone is enough to prove your conclusion. Wich is a logical error as already pointed out. Even if you had brought in all these other references to your argument that you are talking about, your assertion would still be logically invalid and nothing would have changed.

Again, by adding to your analogy you have done nothing to correct the logical error in the reasoning. I have come to the conclusion that you don't understand formal logic, have no intention of applying the rules of logic to your arguments and fail to see the benefit of clear logical reasoning even in informal arguments. It's with a certain degree of sadness I conclude that my efforts over the past two days have yielded zero results and that my dream of this place fostering at least a somewhat rational debate is none the closer.

Thank you for your time.

Have the leaks of even Sony themselves actually disclosed how many PS4s CPU can do? I think you're misinformed here. Surely NeoGaf would have exploded with this news. 

PS4 = approx 1.8 Teraflops

XBOX One = approx 1.2 Teraflops

The PS4 is approx 30 - 40 percent more powerful than the XBOX One

You are referring to the GPU with those percentages Tflops - as I point out that exact fact in my post.  Those numbers are confirmed, but not the end of the story.

What I was examine later in my post is the CPU - which are looking more different from each other than alike.  The best I can find (thanks Ethomas) is that the PS4 can execute 2 commands per core per cycle, which Microsoft is restated it's CPU can do six!  So it is looking like the Xbox One's CPUs are 66% more capable than the PS4's. Now Superchuck's excellent thread still has Sony stating 1 execution per cycle.

CPU and GPU are different things.  It's looking like the X1's CPU are more powerful.

I guess we will see more in the next few weeks, maybe.

Wait a min, the Arm Cortex A5 is not just some sort of Co-processor, it is a full CPU, and Mark already went over this it handles background downloading.

the Cortex A5 is not just a simple processor or something like that, here look for yourself.

The Cortex-A5 in AMD’s future APUs will be a fully functional ARM processor and in theory it is possible to run full ARM applications on the processor (OS differences not withstanding), though at this point in time AMD hasn’t released the full details on how accessing the ARM processor will work. Even if AMD just intends to use ARM for TrustZone today, this opens the door to comprehensive native ARM code execution in the future if AMD wanted to go that way; but at the same time this could end up being as far as AMD ever goes.

and as its shown there it can be used for more than just security, for instance the PSVita is Powered by a Quad Cortex A9

Cortex-A Series

http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a5.php

Its just not a simple coprocessor remember the PSVita is powered by a quad cortex A9, well think the PS4 containing a cortex A5 was not chosen for a reason?

The CPU's are X86 now.

Even if what you are saying was true....it's not really gonna matter for games.

Their both GPU-centric machines now.

That's what the developers wanted, and that's what they got.....basically.