no i didnt, i said usually they dont appeal to them, which is true. my question is could motion controll appeal to the core in a big way. its not one game attracting the the entire core audience. its the controllers being a much bigger part in the games that are made for the core

All I can tell you is that core gamers aren't as opposed to motion controls as you think. I'm friends with dozens of gamers in real life and they all enjoy playing some motion controlled games now and again, and are all hopeful that they keep advancing in a positive direction moving forward. These kinds of forums, and internet communities represent a minority of players, most of which are the super "geeks" so to speak, who are dead set in their ways, and oblivious to what's actually happening in the real world.

Fact is, motion controls can be a lot of fun, and are recognized as such by MANY core gamers. Do they get as hyped about them as regular games? No. Do we play them as often? No. Are they technically as good/high quality as regular games? No. They are however, on occasion, a fun change of pace, and they do have their appeal. Even to the core gamers.

motion control as a secondary add-on is fine but not as the only way to play a game

over and over again i buy motion based games hoping for a good one and every time i'm disappointed. the concessions in gameplay (rail movements, either inconsistent inputs or heavy assists to make up for inconsistent inputs, mini game format or motion relegated to unneeded mini-games, the "tacked-on" feeling, lag, or significant hits to graphics and level design and AI to budget both manpower and processing power to the adding motion controls to a game) just make for bad games.

listen. when developers can consistently make good motion based games the core will be there. until then the 2 or 3 exceptions in a sea of shit won't change anyone's mind.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in 10 years when the kids who grew up with a Wii and Kinect are old enough to be "core gamers," you might be surprised how much a new generation of gamers can change everything.

yes, i'm a core gamer and i like to use Move as a pointer for FPS games and Move that works like a mouse pointer for Strategy games...
so basically i just like it to use as a pointer like a mouse does on PC games...

Even the best examples sill don't convince me.

Some things were better in skyward sword, but giving up camera control is a big deal breaker. Plus I never got it to respond correctly more then 80% of the time. The mix of 1:1 and gesture recognition for sword fighting caused it to fail regularly or do the opposite.
The gladiator duels in sports champions work a lot better, but I wouldn't want to do that for more then half an hour at a time. Plus you still lose a lot of freedom of movement and moving through solid objects stays a problem.

Shooting is better in fps, but mostly when you're stationary. Running around, quickly checking left, right while strafing forward, going around the corner through a door, all less convenient with pointer controls. Maybe with a lot of practice it will become easier, I had to get used to dual analog after years of kb+mouse too. But it still feels limitting after 3 campaigns, 1 on the wii and 2 with move. Going back to a controller afterwards feels liberating. And since there is a choice this time, why play the limiting version.

Anyway those are the big things that hold it back for me, camera control and freedom of movement. Better accuracy and responsiveness are not going to solve those problems.

I still enjoy motion controls in plenty games build for it, but not as a full replacement for traditional 'core' games. Enhancements are fine.

Motion controls will never have the precision and response of analogue controls. Comparing a pointer-style controller to a mouse is silly, too, because a mouse on a desk will always be more precise than a pointer in the air.

Maybe a controller that can accurately respond to eye movement for precision would work. But until then, the answer is no.

The thread title alone offends me.

lol @ selling 100,000,000 yet not appealing to the "core" gamer crowd.

And the sales dropoff just goes to show that Nintendo has a new console out and stopped supporting the Wii.