Yeah, I really should have learned my lesson from past posts of his.  On the plus side I didn't waste a ton of time refuting a bunch of numbers that he made up this time.

You never present proof for your claims and you are saying that that's okay.

I can easily say that Color TV has been scrambling everyones brain, but that would be fanboy-ism.

What r these claims im making that u refer to? Your the one that throws out numbers and crazy statements with nothing to back yhem

Your claims are that 3D TVs hasn't sold more then HD TVs during same point in life spam and that the 3DS didn't get such games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D & Star Fox 3D & Zelda OoT 3D & Cave Story 3D & Super mario 3D land & Metal Gear Solid 3D & the upcoming Resident Evil DDD & etc. etc. because of its 3D effect.

I never said 3D tvs didnt sell better, I asked u to provide proof that it did.

The other thing is just plain stupid, half those those games r first party, Nintendo wpuld release them tegardless if they decided to use 3D or not. As for the other games, those developers heavily supported DS so its a given they release games for its successor. No proof is needed as its completely obvious. Claiming things like those games wpuldnt be made if not for 3D requires proof since its so off the wall that it makes no sense.

1. I track sales on an excel file, and make a thread every quarter. I have 3DS up YoY in North America by about 35% for April/May, but my Q1 excel file needs to be updated since VGC recently had a huge adjustment. I forgot 3DS wasn't doing that amazing, I was being lazy and didn't look up my Q1 file.

I have 3DS as down by about 43% or so for Q1. So right now it's still likely down YoY, but 3DS is tracking a lot better now then it was in January, and has more software coming out which will boost sales. Still, 3DS was doing super well in Q1 of 2012 because of the $80 price cut in 2011, but sales got weaker in fall 2012. 2013 should have a considerable increase in NA and WW 3DS sales as 3DS is now selling better on a weekly basis.

So if 3DS keeps up this pace, it should still perform better in 2013 then it did in 2012, and if Animal Crossing and Pokemon make a big impact on sales (which they should) then 3DS could do a lot better, maybe even sell around 20 million for the year. Worst case, I think 3DS will break 15 million.

2. As for Wii U sales, I think Wii U will sell "much better" then all other Nintendo home consoles except the Wii. Not 100% sure if Wii U will outsell the Wii, it might, it might not, it's too early to tell. However NES sold fairly well, if Wii U sells much less then I think it will, I think worst case it will still outsell the NES, just not by a huge margin.

Just want to say that, while 3DS is down YoY atm, it won't be for long. 3DS sold well for the first 3 months of 2012 because of an $80 price cut in 2011. During Q3/Q4 3DS didn't sell that well, that's why 2012 sales aren't a big jump from 2011 sales.

For 2013, 3DS is selling better per week then it did in 2012, and the gap will likely grow with Animal Crossing releasing in North America, and especially Pokemon's release. Plus we don't know what other games will release this fall for 3DS.

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For Wii U, yes it's having a slow start, but have faith. PS4 and Infinity are rumored to cost $500 or so at launch, where Wii U is $300/$350. Wii U also has had very little software, where Wii released with a main Zelda entry and Wii Sports. Once Mario Kart 8 and Wii Fit U come out, Wii U sales should boom.

8th gen is going to start slow, for all consoles, mostly because the 7th gen lasted so long, and because the graphical jump to PS4/Infinity isn't that large. There are so many PS3/360 games out there, people aren't ready to migrate yet. Remember how long it took PS2 fans to migrate to the PS3? Well this gen it's going to take even longer, so don't expect Wii U sales to really go nuts until 2014 or 2015.

I'm starting to think Nintendo games don't really cause the "boost" that people think they do. After the initial "surge" in hardware (which is usually brought on by Mario games), Nintendo fans generally just come on board at their own rate per month, and isn't so much of a "I'm waiting for Luigi's Mansion and Luigi's Mansion only until I buy a 3DS" type situation.

Because 3DS has bigger games being released this year so far, in Luigi's Mansion 2, Fire Emblem 2, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, and LEGO City vs. Kid Icarus Uprising and Spirit Camera last year.

Yet sales of hardware are flat or even down. And that's with two hardware models (regular and XL this year) versus only one last year. I think part of it is Nintendo fans tend to not just like one franchise but many Nintendo franchises. So a fan of Pokemon isn't just going to sit there and wait for Pokemon 3DS to come out until they buy a 3DS. Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 may hold them over for example.

I kind of saw this pattern with the GameCube too, where Nintendo fans were perplexed as to why Metroid Prime + Zelda: The Wind Waker + Mario Kart: DD didn't cause bigger boosts for the GCN.

What caused the Wii and DS to break out were really the infusion of non-Nintendo fans and lapsed Nintendo fans brought in by Wii Sports, Brain Training, Wii Fit, etc. and also the well used nostalgia of many people not having played a new 2D Mario game in 15-20 years in many cases. However now they've kind spent the casual gaming fad and overused the 2D Marios a bit too much so that it's not as special.

I kinda agree with you on a "boost" in Wii U sales, but like you said there is an initial "surge" in hardware, which Wii U still hasn't seen. Mario Kart 8 and Wii Fit U will provide that initial surge. Mario Kart 8 in fall 2013 will likely make a big impact to not only 2013 sales, but 2014-2016 sales since most Wii U owners will likely pick up Mario Kart 8 (Actually, Mario Kart usually sells 1/3rd as many copies as consoles available, compare MK64/DD/Wii to their respective hardware sales).

So until Mario Kart 8 and other casual games, Wii U sales will be slow, and once they release, they will stabilize at a much higher weekly level.

As for 3DS, like I said the $80 price cut in fall 2011 made a huge impact on sales for nearly an entire year later. However 3DS popularity is growing, weekly sales are now generally up YoY, and tey will stay up YoY for the rest of the year, except for maybe August when 3DS XL released in 2012.

Also, while most Nintendo fans aren't fans of 1 franchise, they might not like what the 3DS has currently available. Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 were enough of a reason for many people to own a 3DS, and that's why 3DS had excellent fall 2011 and spring 2012 sales, and that's definatly why 3DS was down for Q1 2013 compared to Q1 2012. Pokemon will be the nest big "surge" which will give fall 2014 an uphill battle. Plus lets not forget, Nintendo was still releasing multiple good Pokemon games for the DS in 2012, why would a Pokemon fan get a 3DS, Pokemon is still releasing for DS?

Plus like you said, Nintendo fans trickle in, so another major franchise should put weekly sales at a higher stabilization.

Yes I will agree the Wii U hasn't gotten that post-launch wave of Nintendo IP, which you can kind of think of as "puberty" for a Nintendo platform (lol).

That said, maybe a lot of people are hinging an awful lot of hope on the same old franchises doing everything.

The 3DS by now has more than sufficient "Nintendo franchise cred" yet it's keeping up with its yearly pace rather than accelerating.

I think what's happening with the 3DS is the stronger library year over year is actually masking the fact that they're are bleeding potential users to tablets/smartphones at the same time. So their lineup is getting better and they have more hardware options (XL + regular model) but it's showing no increase year over year mostly because these positive changes are been offset by negative ones (ie: the rise of cheapo $200 Android tablets).

Nintendo needs to a new Brain Training type hit more than even a new Pokemon or Mario game.

Because if the 3DS is struggling to get over 130k with all the franchise games it has and an $80 price drop and a second model revision, added to the fact that Nintendo handhelds traditionally sell better than their consoles (post-SNES era), the Wii U baseline for a month like this when it actually gets games may be in the 70k-100k range (factoring in Mario 3D + Mario Kart U + Pikmin 3 etc. etc.). That's not very good.