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the_dengle on 16 May 2013
zorg1000 said:
the_dengle said:

Right, remind me again why GTA isn't considered a casual game? It was the most popular thing around among my elementary & middle school classmates. You know, 10-to-12-year-olds?

The casual-core argument is stupid and I will not indulge it any further in this thread. As if one console's success is more "legitimate" because its best-selling titles appealed to a different market from another successful console's.

I agree with u on GTA, so many people bought that game just to cause mayhem and kill hookers. A few people I know own every GTA game but have never even tried actually playing thru the missions

And his other example of "core" games was Gran Turismo. A racing game for crying out loud!

Really, I could complain about any game being classified as "core" or "casual" because these classifications are imaginary. They are fake. And offensive.

 

Lawlight said:


Yeah....I'm sure all those 10-12 year-olds' parents were buying those games for them. And I'm still not seeing GTA being a game played by soccer moms and senior citizens.

10-year-olds are core but middle-aged parents are casual?

What a relief, I'd like to tell you about this game called Mario Kart Wii.



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zorg1000 on 16 May 2013
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:
Lawlight said:
Lol, the facts are right there for everyone to see. The best selling PS2 games are GT, GTA, FF, MGS, KH and GoW. Gotta love the anti-Sony ignorance.

I really don't think anyone was denying that. 

The other guy was. According to him, the best selling games were casual games.

You have some comprehension problems, theres a difference between best-selling games and THE best-selling games. Nobody is trying to downplay Sony here, they ruled with an iron fist but to say casuals didnt make up a sizeable chuck of PS2 owners is false.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Lawlight on 16 May 2013
zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:
Lawlight said:
Lol, the facts are right there for everyone to see. The best selling PS2 games are GT, GTA, FF, MGS, KH and GoW. Gotta love the anti-Sony ignorance.

I really don't think anyone was denying that. 

The other guy was. According to him, the best selling games were casual games.

You have some comprehension problems, theres a difference between best-selling games and THE best-selling games. Nobody is trying to downplay Sony here, they ruled with an iron fist but to say casuals didnt make up a sizeable chuck of PS2 owners is false.

Let me ask again:

Show me the games that soccer moms and senior citizens have been playing on the PS2. GTA? FIFA? Which ones are they?



Lawlight on 16 May 2013
the_dengle said:
Lawlight said:


Yeah....I'm sure all those 10-12 year-olds' parents were buying those games for them. And I'm still not seeing GTA being a game played by soccer moms and senior citizens.

10-year-olds are core but middle-aged parents are casual?

What a relief, I'd like to tell you about this game called Mario Kart Wii.


GTA is a game for teens mostly. Don't know where you're getting the 10-year-olds from.



S.Peelman on 16 May 2013
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:

Well yeah, exactly. Playstation had its time in the spotlight in the PS1/PS2 era, and it just decimated the competition (so Sega, Microsoft and Nintendo all looked to be doing poorly in comparison), but when you compare the other Nintendo consoles, you see that they're always the best selling console, before the Sony era that is. So you can only judge success on how you do relatively to other people. So doing 70mil this gen would be considered "poor", but doing that a decade ago would be a great success. 

As such, only the Gamecube underperformed, and the N64 was right on the verge.

Well, if you want to compare within gens, the N64 sold less than 30% of what the PS sold so it's safe to say it underperformed.

The Wii did well thanks to the casuals (it'll still finish 2nd this gen though).

I just have to say this, without mingling into the rest of the discussion; this is a common misconception.

People practically always ignore, or forget, that the PS1 and PS2 were sold for two generations while all other consoles are on the shelves for only one. When the 5th gen ended, the first Playstation was at 70m sold units. The PSOne which was on sale during the 6th gen accounted for the other 30m. The N64 however was discontinued pretty much immediately after the GameCube was released.

In reality, the N64 put up a better fight then the numbers tell today. In reality, the gen ended 70-33 (and like 10m for the Saturn) , not 102-33. Sure, still a loss for Nintendo, but certainly not the massacre some make it out to be.

The GameCube has a similar story, being discontinued almost immediately after the Wii was released while the PS2 sold an additional 50m units in the generation that followed. Too bad for the GameCube though, this was still a massacre no matter how you look at it .



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zorg1000 on 16 May 2013
Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:
Lawlight said:
Lol, the facts are right there for everyone to see. The best selling PS2 games are GT, GTA, FF, MGS, KH and GoW. Gotta love the anti-Sony ignorance.

I really don't think anyone was denying that. 

The other guy was. According to him, the best selling games were casual games.

You have some comprehension problems, theres a difference between best-selling games and THE best-selling games. Nobody is trying to downplay Sony here, they ruled with an iron fist but to say casuals didnt make up a sizeable chuck of PS2 owners is false.

Let me ask again:

Show me the games that soccer moms and senior citizens have been playing on the PS2. GTA? FIFA? Which ones are they?

Casual doesnt mean soccer moms and senior citizens, its people who play games very seldomly, usually as time wasters or only in group gatherings. A 16 year old male can be a casual gamer or an 80 year old woman can be a hardcore gamer.

PS2 had alot of casual friendly games, doesnt mean it apealled exclusively to that crowd. Alot of games that are xonsidered core also can be considered casual. COD and sports titles can be considered both. For example back in the PS2 days all my football coaches bought a PS2 because it was an afforadable DVD and pretty much the only game they ever played was Madden.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 on 16 May 2013
S.Peelman said:
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:

Well yeah, exactly. Playstation had its time in the spotlight in the PS1/PS2 era, and it just decimated the competition (so Sega, Microsoft and Nintendo all looked to be doing poorly in comparison), but when you compare the other Nintendo consoles, you see that they're always the best selling console, before the Sony era that is. So you can only judge success on how you do relatively to other people. So doing 70mil this gen would be considered "poor", but doing that a decade ago would be a great success. 

As such, only the Gamecube underperformed, and the N64 was right on the verge.

Well, if you want to compare within gens, the N64 sold less than 30% of what the PS sold so it's safe to say it underperformed.

The Wii did well thanks to the casuals (it'll still finish 2nd this gen though).

I just have to say this, without mingling into the rest of the discussion; this is a common misconception.

People practically always ignore, or forget, that the PS1 and PS2 were sold for two generations while all other consoles are on the shelves for only one. When the 5th gen ended, the first Playstation was at 70m sold units. The PSOne which was on sale during the 6th gen accounted for the other 30m. The N64 however was discontinued pretty much immediately after the GameCube was released.

In reality, the N64 put up a better fight then the numbers tell today. In reality, the gen ended 70-33 (and like 10m for the Saturn) , not 102-33. Sure, still a loss for Nintendo, but certainly not the massacre some make it out to be.

The GameCube has a similar story, being discontinued almost immediately after the Wii was released while the PS2 sold an additional 50m units in the generation that followed. Too bad for the GameCube though, this was still a massacre no matter how you look at it .

Very true and North America especially was relatively even back then. You could argue PS1 won Japan solely to Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest excusivity, and dominated Europe because Iit was the only one that fought for that region back then.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Lawlight on 16 May 2013
zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:
Lawlight said:
Lol, the facts are right there for everyone to see. The best selling PS2 games are GT, GTA, FF, MGS, KH and GoW. Gotta love the anti-Sony ignorance.

I really don't think anyone was denying that. 

The other guy was. According to him, the best selling games were casual games.

You have some comprehension problems, theres a difference between best-selling games and THE best-selling games. Nobody is trying to downplay Sony here, they ruled with an iron fist but to say casuals didnt make up a sizeable chuck of PS2 owners is false.

Let me ask again:

Show me the games that soccer moms and senior citizens have been playing on the PS2. GTA? FIFA? Which ones are they?

Casual doesnt mean soccer moms and senior citizens, its people who play games very seldomly, usually as time wasters or only in group gatherings. A 16 year old male can be a casual gamer or an 80 year old woman can be a hardcore gamer.

PS2 had alot of casual friendly games, doesnt mean it apealled exclusively to that crowd. Alot of games that are xonsidered core also can be considered casual. COD and sports titles can be considered both. For example back in the PS2 days all my football coaches bought a PS2 because it was an afforadable DVD and pretty much the only game they ever played was Madden.


So, all your football coaches bought a PS2 during the launch year? Because that was the only time when it was the cheapest available DVD player.

Also, don't confuse mainstream gamers with casual gamers. Mainstream gamers might play seldom or play only a few games (like GTA, FIFA, Madden, etc) but will never quit gaming. Casuals do.



Lawlight on 16 May 2013
S.Peelman said:
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:

Well yeah, exactly. Playstation had its time in the spotlight in the PS1/PS2 era, and it just decimated the competition (so Sega, Microsoft and Nintendo all looked to be doing poorly in comparison), but when you compare the other Nintendo consoles, you see that they're always the best selling console, before the Sony era that is. So you can only judge success on how you do relatively to other people. So doing 70mil this gen would be considered "poor", but doing that a decade ago would be a great success. 

As such, only the Gamecube underperformed, and the N64 was right on the verge.

Well, if you want to compare within gens, the N64 sold less than 30% of what the PS sold so it's safe to say it underperformed.

The Wii did well thanks to the casuals (it'll still finish 2nd this gen though).

I just have to say this, without mingling into the rest of the discussion; this is a common misconception.

People practically always ignore, or forget, that the PS1 and PS2 were sold for two generations while all other consoles are on the shelves for only one. When the 5th gen ended, the first Playstation was at 70m sold units. The PSOne which was on sale during the 6th gen accounted for the other 30m. The N64 however was discontinued pretty much immediately after the GameCube was released.

In reality, the N64 put up a better fight then the numbers tell today. In reality, the gen ended 70-33 (and like 10m for the Saturn) , not 102-33. Sure, still a loss for Nintendo, but certainly not the massacre some make it out to be.

The GameCube has a similar story, being discontinued almost immediately after the Wii was released while the PS2 sold an additional 50m units in the generation that followed. Too bad for the GameCube though, this was still a massacre no matter how you look at it .


Well, production of those systems stopped because they weren't selling enough. If the N64 had those PS1 numbers, do you think Nintendo would have discontinued them?



DieAppleDie on 16 May 2013
Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:
Lawlight said:
Conegamer said:
Lawlight said:
Lol, the facts are right there for everyone to see. The best selling PS2 games are GT, GTA, FF, MGS, KH and GoW. Gotta love the anti-Sony ignorance.

I really don't think anyone was denying that. 

The other guy was. According to him, the best selling games were casual games.

You have some comprehension problems, theres a difference between best-selling games and THE best-selling games. Nobody is trying to downplay Sony here, they ruled with an iron fist but to say casuals didnt make up a sizeable chuck of PS2 owners is false.

Let me ask again:

Show me the games that soccer moms and senior citizens have been playing on the PS2. GTA? FIFA? Which ones are they?

Casual doesnt mean soccer moms and senior citizens, its people who play games very seldomly, usually as time wasters or only in group gatherings. A 16 year old male can be a casual gamer or an 80 year old woman can be a hardcore gamer.

PS2 had alot of casual friendly games, doesnt mean it apealled exclusively to that crowd. Alot of games that are xonsidered core also can be considered casual. COD and sports titles can be considered both. For example back in the PS2 days all my football coaches bought a PS2 because it was an afforadable DVD and pretty much the only game they ever played was Madden.


So, all your football coaches bought a PS2 during the launch year? Because that was the only time when it was the cheapest available DVD player.

Also, don't confuse mainstream gamers with casual gamers. Mainstream gamers might play seldom or play only a few games (like GTA, FIFA, Madden, etc) but will never quit gaming. Casuals do.



When a console has over 3000 games be sure that the majority of that is casual crapware.