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kowenicki said:

it really has very little to do with kaz was my point.

he is following the shrinking plan that Stringer put down.


so if that is the case than the

"Hirai, promoted a month ago to replace Howard Stringer as the company's top officer effective Sunday, has restructured the electronics business around three "pillars": mobile, games and digital imaging."

Tv's is not one of the  Pillar's

PC's i doubt also are part of one of these Pillar's also

So yeah Sony is following the shrinking plan that stringer put down.

Agreement



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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You guys do realize that there is a reason people lose billions on the stock market, prices can drop as quickly as they rise. Crowing to Kow about rises now might make you all look very silly in the future.



kowenicki said:
The stock has risen today dramatically due to the suggested break up of Sony by the American Hedge fund.

Sony already said they wouldn't do this. Why isn't the stock falling?



slowmo said:
You guys do realize that there is a reason people lose billions on the stock market, prices can drop as quickly as they rise. Crowing to Kow about rises now might make you all look very silly in the future.

i do not think the people crowing about a rise in the stocks is , going on and on about that the  outright long term thing as is a certainty, if anything many of the poster's are not as pessimistic on the outlook what Sony would need to do about the part's of the company. when what Sony has shown sofar is the parts that Sony is bleeding money and not avoiding the issue's at hand and that the results Kaz and company are taking are showing + results to fix the issue's. I do not think its about crowing only + outcome's but on the same token many are not going to be looking at it as only a  pessimistic+ outlook also. I think its more of the same thing both sides of their outlook , look at each other's view of this situation be that pessimistic or optimistic.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

slowmo said:
You guys do realize that there is a reason people lose billions on the stock market, prices can drop as quickly as they rise. Crowing to Kow about rises now might make you all look very silly in the future.


I agree, but Kowen isn't perfect either. He does the same.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
MoHasanie said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
MoHasanie said:

Wow, that's great!
Why do articles keep mentioning the PS4's release as something good for Sony? It will just bring down the gaming divisions already small profits. 


Sony's shareholders realize that gaming isn't a threat to their wellbeing. In fact the gaming sector of the Playstation brand earned its place amongst the skeptics in the mid 90's. PS4's good press is making investors happy. Where Sony fails outside, their gaming sector shines. I just think they need to drop the PSP and they'll be fine.


But you do realize that the PS3 lost Sony a lot of money and I'm sure investors weren't happy about that. Investors don't care if its the TV division or the games division that's losing money, they just want Sony to make their unprofitable divisions profitable. 

Also, I doubt investors optimism is due to the PS4's good press. If investors cared so much about the PS4, then we would've seen big share price gains after the announcement but we didn't. Investors are happy because the yen is falling, and Sony has become profitable again. 


Something like that would affect Microsofts investors more than Sony. A great portion of Microsofts investors want absolutely nothing to do with the gaming industry and don't care whether the Kinect is a success. Microsoft has been ignoring them for two gens, now. Sonys investors only bitched for part of one generation and then stopped. Sony's investors were skeptical, hell the board of directors laughed at Kutaragi when got caught helping Nintendo on their CD tech and he expressed interest in even creating the Playstation after Sony and Nintendo parted ways contractually. Sony and Kutaragi made their investors believe first gen in that gaming was a high profit point for them and welcomed gaming into the family of things that Sony does. The PS3 was Kutaragi's last mistake and was a well intentioned but screwed up development process, which is why they made him step down. He caused the PS3 to be so overpriced based on parts yet totally lack cost effectiveness. Sony remedied luckily is a very good in house developer, so they covered their ends. Their PS3 is profitable, the PSVita is another story. Look at the latest Pach Attack where Michael Pachter was talking about Microsoft the fact that the bitching of ivestors doesnt really matter if they dont make up the majority of shareholders. It only matters about shares. A company bought 2 Billion in shares for Microsoft and yet their opinion still doesnt matter (LOL). Anyway, that was just an example, but the reason Sony approval matters more based on positive press affecting stocks is because good or bad it matters more because it actually affects the companies truer growth. Doesn't work out that way with MS. Again, this is just an example to show the night and day of how stocks work for both of them. I would use Nintendo, but Nintendo only focuses on games, so that would've been lame. LOL

The PS4 needs to be unveiled officially by showing the box and the coverage will expand before we can talk about whether to doubt Sonys reception and stock.

MS investors probably see the Xbox division as useless since its made such huge loses in the past, and its profits in relation to other MS products are small. But, MS needs to diversify and they can't just rely on Windows and Office software forever. 

Sony investors probably see the PS4 having potential, and if Sony can replicate the PS2's success with the PS4, then it could be quite profitable. But we'll just have to wait and see if investors react positively to more news of the PS4. I would imagine that a new high end Sony smartphone would probably make investors more happy than Sony just showing the box of the PS4. 



    

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...uhh...ill just put my favorite quote of all time here.

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VGKing said:
kowenicki said:
The stock has risen today dramatically due to the suggested break up of Sony by the American Hedge fund.

Sony already said they wouldn't do this. Why isn't the stock falling?

because many see

Dan Loeb for what he is:

He is a corporate raider
The appearance of Loeb in Japan, which has been trapped in decades of economic malaise, would have been unthinkable not long ago. Activist investors, then called corporate raiders, have been part of the American business environment since the 1980s, when the fictional Gordon Gekko attacked corporate boards and executive vice-presidents in the name of public shareholders. But activist investors have not played a role in Japan. Ironically, at the time corporate raiders burst on the scene, the U.S. economy seemed to be stuck in a rut while Japan was ascendant. Japan’s Nikkei stock index hit its all-time high in 1989, two years after Michael Douglas immortalized the Gekko character in the movie Wall Street, saying “greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.”

Activists investors like Loeb are still criticized in the U.S. A few weeks ago, for example, Loeb was knocked for allegedly supporting an effort to deny teachers and other public-sector workers guaranteed benefits while raising money from such defined benefit plans for his hedge funds. Still, some people have long wondered if corporate Japan wouldn’t benefit from having a guy like Loeb around. It seems like Loeb is up for the challenge.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2013/05/14/gordon-gekko-comes-to-japan/

He is asking for Sony to

"

To Mr. Loeb, more must be done, starting with the spinoff of Sony Entertainment. Though the division accounts for more than 40 percent of the company’s enterprise value, he said in his letter that it needed discipline to raise its profit margins. Mr. Loeb estimated that a partial spinoff of the entertainment business could bolster Sony’s share price by as much as 60 percent.

In his letter, Mr. Loeb proposed handing 15 to 20 percent of Sony Entertainment to existing shareholders. His firm would be willing to backstop the initial public offering up to $2 billion to ensure its success.

Other underappreciated assets include the company’s 60 percent stake in Sony Financial, which largely sells life insurance policies, as well as real estate holdings and stakes in other companies. And Mr. Loeb is expected to argue that Sony’s electronics division must sharply reduce costs, including by taking a cue from its protégé, Apple, in focusing on a few core products."

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/hedge-fund-manager-daniel-loeb-targets-sony-for-a-breakup/?smid=tw-nytimesdealbook&seid=auto

iE: A HOSTILE TAKE over!

Of course Sony is saying No!



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

MoHasanie said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
MoHasanie said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
MoHasanie said:

Wow, that's great!
Why do articles keep mentioning the PS4's release as something good for Sony? It will just bring down the gaming divisions already small profits. 


Sony's shareholders realize that gaming isn't a threat to their wellbeing. In fact the gaming sector of the Playstation brand earned its place amongst the skeptics in the mid 90's. PS4's good press is making investors happy. Where Sony fails outside, their gaming sector shines. I just think they need to drop the PSP and they'll be fine.


But you do realize that the PS3 lost Sony a lot of money and I'm sure investors weren't happy about that. Investors don't care if its the TV division or the games division that's losing money, they just want Sony to make their unprofitable divisions profitable. 

Also, I doubt investors optimism is due to the PS4's good press. If investors cared so much about the PS4, then we would've seen big share price gains after the announcement but we didn't. Investors are happy because the yen is falling, and Sony has become profitable again. 


Something like that would affect Microsofts investors more than Sony. A great portion of Microsofts investors want absolutely nothing to do with the gaming industry and don't care whether the Kinect is a success. Microsoft has been ignoring them for two gens, now. Sonys investors only bitched for part of one generation and then stopped. Sony's investors were skeptical, hell the board of directors laughed at Kutaragi when got caught helping Nintendo on their CD tech and he expressed interest in even creating the Playstation after Sony and Nintendo parted ways contractually. Sony and Kutaragi made their investors believe first gen in that gaming was a high profit point for them and welcomed gaming into the family of things that Sony does. The PS3 was Kutaragi's last mistake and was a well intentioned but screwed up development process, which is why they made him step down. He caused the PS3 to be so overpriced based on parts yet totally lack cost effectiveness. Sony remedied luckily is a very good in house developer, so they covered their ends. Their PS3 is profitable, the PSVita is another story. Look at the latest Pach Attack where Michael Pachter was talking about Microsoft the fact that the bitching of ivestors doesnt really matter if they dont make up the majority of shareholders. It only matters about shares. A company bought 2 Billion in shares for Microsoft and yet their opinion still doesnt matter (LOL). Anyway, that was just an example, but the reason Sony approval matters more based on positive press affecting stocks is because good or bad it matters more because it actually affects the companies truer growth. Doesn't work out that way with MS. Again, this is just an example to show the night and day of how stocks work for both of them. I would use Nintendo, but Nintendo only focuses on games, so that would've been lame. LOL

The PS4 needs to be unveiled officially by showing the box and the coverage will expand before we can talk about whether to doubt Sonys reception and stock.

MS investors probably see the Xbox division as useless since its made such huge loses in the past, and its profits in relation to other MS products are small. But, MS needs to diversify and they can't just rely on Windows and Office software forever. 

Sony investors probably see the PS4 having potential, and if Sony can replicate the PS2's success with the PS4, then it could be quite profitable. But we'll just have to wait and see if investors react positively to more news of the PS4. I would imagine that a new high end Sony smartphone would probably make investors more happy than Sony just showing the box of the PS4. 


The Xbox 360 has done very well and the investors still dont care. They just want MS to drop gaming and focus on Apple because they are going on a tear right now. Microsoft has been ignoring them for years truth be told. Its probably because its not doing anything for the bottomline where apple is concerned to tell you the truth.



kowenicki said:

The day Kaz took over the Stock price was..... 20.90

Today it is 18.89.

Perspective.

The recent rally is good news, but it has FAR more to do with Japanese government intervention that anythig else.  Sony is a massive exporter and stands to gain much more from a weakened yen than most other companies.

But I'd rather talk to prof about this kind of stuff, he understands it better and can remain as objective as I can.


I agree with this point. People hype positively or negatively short term swings while ignoring long term perspective.  If you invest in the market for a while you see these events, but betting on them has very high risk/reward.  I'd rather stick to a plan that ensures 7-10% ROI per annum than jumping on what ever hot stock is out there.