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PlaystaionGamer said:
I think MS is building XBOX to be a big brand that isn't about Gaming at the core but that could work for them, who knows


You are correct.  If you look at how MS has branded their music, movies and other services as Xbox, you see that MS is trying to leverage the xbox brand as something more than just games.  There still is and will be an xbox console but if MS comes out with other types of devices like a Xbox TV then they can associate their brand with that device to garner customer attention.

Does that mean that this will dilute the Xbox console as a game machine?  At this stage who knows.  MS is a big company so its not like they cannot do more than one thing at a time.  There is the MS games division and there is the Zune rebranded Xbox Music and Videos division.  The all have their individual budgets and look to strengthen their brand.  This is no different than what Sony does as they are a corporation as well.  I believe the difference with MS is that they are always trying to integrate all of their services into each other to form a stronger product.  Sony tries this as well but they have years of culture within the company that make such integrations difficult.

In the end, its probably smart to integrate compatiable customer services together to make a stronger product.



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VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:

Microsoft isn't a cool or hip company. Microsoft knows this which is why they left their branding out of the XBox 360 retail boxes.

Xbox however is a very popular console and it is "cool". What we've seen recently is Microsoft milking the Xbox brand for all its worth to try to push a music service and other stuff that doesn't even make sense and has no business having "Xbox" in its name. The only reason Skype is still Skype is being the service is very popular already. If it wasn't, you can bet Microsoft would call it "Xbox Video Chat".

Recently though, Microsfot has fumbled with Xbox. They're trying to move it away from what makes it cool and hip to try and make it more family and kid friendly with Kinect. If Microsoft succeeds is making it the family console, it wont' be the "cool" and "hip" thing anymore. It'll be the next Wii and we saw what happened there.

(The above paragraphs are just my paraphrasing of the article. They may or may not reflect my views.)

Right, thanks.

Xbox is going the way of Wii.

Imagine how popular the console will be if/when Microsoft retain the 3rd party support that made Xbox so strong in the 1st place. Could see PS2 levels of popularity!

This.  VGKing would be correct if Microsoft didn't have strong 3rd Party support.  Look at VGChartz software sales, for example.  Routinely the Xbox 360 version outsells the PS3 version.  The heres and whys of that aren't important, what is important to developers, is that they know if they put out a game on the Xbox 360 it'll sell.  The same should hold true for the Xbox 8.

Nintendo has suffered because it couldn't retain it's third-party support, often scoffing at them, and worse they couldn't attract them after the fact.

Between the Xbox and Xbox 360, Microsoft sat down with developers and asked them what they wanted, and Microsoft has continually made an effort to deliever that.  I don't think that's going to change any time soon.  Microsoft has always been a company of developers, built for developers.  So the day Microsoft fails to listen to developers is the first day in the end of Microsoft.

I don't think Microsoft's future plans are bad for the company at all.  I think they help to put the Xbox in a stronger position and into more homes.  Maybe this means that more people use the console for non-gaming purposes, but when those households have children or people need something to do during downtime, they can turn on their Xbox and play games.

I think this strategy is what scares a lot of Playstation loyalists.  If Microsoft succeeds in getting into more homes due to it's media and communication services, then it'll have a foothold in houses as a gaming system where one didn't exist before.  With that foothold, it undermines Sony's and Nintendo's chances of entering the household. 

Microsoft doesn't have to build it's core gamer business.  The evidence is there that it already exists and it's strong.  If both Sony and Microsoft are even next generation on core gamers, then the opportunity for growth is once again going to be in non-gaming, social gaming, and casual gaming.  Microsoft has been building its services up and making acquisitons to put it in a better position with non-gaming and social gaming. 

I don't see doom and gloom for Microsoft. 

Microsoft is using the Xbox brand to push other parts of its business. Now, I dont' see that as a problem, but when the "other parts of its business" seems to be taking priority over games, that's when we should be cautious. Do we really want to support a video game console that puts gaming as secondary? Do we really want to support a video game console that is more like a high-end DVR/cable box?

I think Microsofts next-gen strategy will become clear on May 21st. I think this will only lead to more negativity.


I guess the perception can be that MS is doing other things and gaming is not a primary focus, but if that is the case, I wonder why MS has put so much money into building so many gaming studios in the last 3 years.  I believe people forget that most of MS exclusive IP were from 3rd party developers.  Lets go over a short list of the ones I can remember.

                PGR - Developer went to Activsion and no longer exist

                Mass Effect - IP went multiplat

                Halo(Bungie) - Developer went multiplat

                Crackdown - Developer went out of business - Second Developer could be working on something

                Dead or Alive/ Ninja Gaiden - series went multiplat

                Blue Dragon/Lost Odyssey - Contract of games over who knows what the developer is doing now

                Infinite Undiscovery - Developers hasn't tried to do any more exclusive 360 games

                Kingdom Under Fire series - Developer went multiplat

                MagnaCarta - do not know what this developer is doing

                Ninety-Nine Nights - Do not know what this developer is doing

                Saint Row - developer went multi-plat

Basically what I am trying to say is that MS did not have a lot of studios for their console when the 360 released so they dependent on 3rd party companies to bring in the exclusives.  Most successful games went multiplat once the contracts were up, the ones that were not successful just faded away.  During this time MS was building new studios to fill in the gaps.  It takes time and resources to get the right people to fill those studios and checking Wiki and other sources, it appears that MS has shopped around for some veteran talent.

So my perspective on the issue is that MS needed time to build their own studios expecially since two important studios left like Bungie and the Project Gotham developers.



Somini said:
Wright said:
"Levitates"...

-> Elevates.

Gotta love mistakes in the title :D (It does not go for you, Somini. You wrote it as it was written).

lol thanks for pointing that out :D

Do you think i should correct that? I don't want to be stoned by some for having changed the article.

...So you know it's a dodgy piece to begin with then and you only posted it to make trouble.

Not cool. You're "news" reposts are getting a bit silly and obscure. Is there really any need to get people's backs up posting trash like this? It is trash and you know it.



VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:

Microsoft isn't a cool or hip company. Microsoft knows this which is why they left their branding out of the XBox 360 retail boxes.

Xbox however is a very popular console and it is "cool". What we've seen recently is Microsoft milking the Xbox brand for all its worth to try to push a music service and other stuff that doesn't even make sense and has no business having "Xbox" in its name. The only reason Skype is still Skype is being the service is very popular already. If it wasn't, you can bet Microsoft would call it "Xbox Video Chat".

Recently though, Microsfot has fumbled with Xbox. They're trying to move it away from what makes it cool and hip to try and make it more family and kid friendly with Kinect. If Microsoft succeeds is making it the family console, it wont' be the "cool" and "hip" thing anymore. It'll be the next Wii and we saw what happened there.

(The above paragraphs are just my paraphrasing of the article. They may or may not reflect my views.)

Right, thanks.

Xbox is going the way of Wii.

Imagine how popular the console will be if/when Microsoft retain the 3rd party support that made Xbox so strong in the 1st place. Could see PS2 levels of popularity!

This.  VGKing would be correct if Microsoft didn't have strong 3rd Party support.  Look at VGChartz software sales, for example.  Routinely the Xbox 360 version outsells the PS3 version.  The heres and whys of that aren't important, what is important to developers, is that they know if they put out a game on the Xbox 360 it'll sell.  The same should hold true for the Xbox 8.

Nintendo has suffered because it couldn't retain it's third-party support, often scoffing at them, and worse they couldn't attract them after the fact.

Between the Xbox and Xbox 360, Microsoft sat down with developers and asked them what they wanted, and Microsoft has continually made an effort to deliever that.  I don't think that's going to change any time soon.  Microsoft has always been a company of developers, built for developers.  So the day Microsoft fails to listen to developers is the first day in the end of Microsoft.

I don't think Microsoft's future plans are bad for the company at all.  I think they help to put the Xbox in a stronger position and into more homes.  Maybe this means that more people use the console for non-gaming purposes, but when those households have children or people need something to do during downtime, they can turn on their Xbox and play games.

I think this strategy is what scares a lot of Playstation loyalists.  If Microsoft succeeds in getting into more homes due to it's media and communication services, then it'll have a foothold in houses as a gaming system where one didn't exist before.  With that foothold, it undermines Sony's and Nintendo's chances of entering the household. 

Microsoft doesn't have to build it's core gamer business.  The evidence is there that it already exists and it's strong.  If both Sony and Microsoft are even next generation on core gamers, then the opportunity for growth is once again going to be in non-gaming, social gaming, and casual gaming.  Microsoft has been building its services up and making acquisitons to put it in a better position with non-gaming and social gaming. 

I don't see doom and gloom for Microsoft. 

Microsoft is using the Xbox brand to push other parts of its business. Now, I dont' see that as a problem, but when the "other parts of its business" seems to be taking priority over games, that's when we should be cautious. Do we really want to support a video game console that puts gaming as secondary? Do we really want to support a video game console that is more like a high-end DVR/cable box?

I think Microsofts next-gen strategy will become clear on May 21st. I think this will only lead to more negativity.

@Bolded
SHOCKED! I thought you would welcome every new device from MS!

I would be pissed if the next Xbox was only about gaming these days. This is not the N64.
I want my console to offer VoD, Music and a lot of apps like SkyGo. 

MS will have a massive 3rd party support, a rapidly growing online service, the most and diversed entertainment apps in this industry and much more first party games than this gen. The negativity is only for one single rumor and does not give you the whole idea.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:

Microsoft isn't a cool or hip company. Microsoft knows this which is why they left their branding out of the XBox 360 retail boxes.

Xbox however is a very popular console and it is "cool". What we've seen recently is Microsoft milking the Xbox brand for all its worth to try to push a music service and other stuff that doesn't even make sense and has no business having "Xbox" in its name. The only reason Skype is still Skype is being the service is very popular already. If it wasn't, you can bet Microsoft would call it "Xbox Video Chat".

Recently though, Microsfot has fumbled with Xbox. They're trying to move it away from what makes it cool and hip to try and make it more family and kid friendly with Kinect. If Microsoft succeeds is making it the family console, it wont' be the "cool" and "hip" thing anymore. It'll be the next Wii and we saw what happened there.

(The above paragraphs are just my paraphrasing of the article. They may or may not reflect my views.)

Right, thanks.

Xbox is going the way of Wii.

Imagine how popular the console will be if/when Microsoft retain the 3rd party support that made Xbox so strong in the 1st place. Could see PS2 levels of popularity!

This.  VGKing would be correct if Microsoft didn't have strong 3rd Party support.  Look at VGChartz software sales, for example.  Routinely the Xbox 360 version outsells the PS3 version.  The heres and whys of that aren't important, what is important to developers, is that they know if they put out a game on the Xbox 360 it'll sell.  The same should hold true for the Xbox 8.

Nintendo has suffered because it couldn't retain it's third-party support, often scoffing at them, and worse they couldn't attract them after the fact.

Between the Xbox and Xbox 360, Microsoft sat down with developers and asked them what they wanted, and Microsoft has continually made an effort to deliever that.  I don't think that's going to change any time soon.  Microsoft has always been a company of developers, built for developers.  So the day Microsoft fails to listen to developers is the first day in the end of Microsoft.

I don't think Microsoft's future plans are bad for the company at all.  I think they help to put the Xbox in a stronger position and into more homes.  Maybe this means that more people use the console for non-gaming purposes, but when those households have children or people need something to do during downtime, they can turn on their Xbox and play games.

I think this strategy is what scares a lot of Playstation loyalists.  If Microsoft succeeds in getting into more homes due to it's media and communication services, then it'll have a foothold in houses as a gaming system where one didn't exist before.  With that foothold, it undermines Sony's and Nintendo's chances of entering the household. 

Microsoft doesn't have to build it's core gamer business.  The evidence is there that it already exists and it's strong.  If both Sony and Microsoft are even next generation on core gamers, then the opportunity for growth is once again going to be in non-gaming, social gaming, and casual gaming.  Microsoft has been building its services up and making acquisitons to put it in a better position with non-gaming and social gaming. 

I don't see doom and gloom for Microsoft. 

Microsoft is using the Xbox brand to push other parts of its business. Now, I dont' see that as a problem, but when the "other parts of its business" seems to be taking priority over games, that's when we should be cautious. Do we really want to support a video game console that puts gaming as secondary? Do we really want to support a video game console that is more like a high-end DVR/cable box?

I think Microsofts next-gen strategy will become clear on May 21st. I think this will only lead to more negativity.

@Bolded
SHOCKED! I thought you would welcome every new device from MS!

I would be pissed if the next Xbox was only about gaming these days. This is not the N64.
I want my console to offer VoD, Music and a lot of apps like SkyGo. 

MS will have a massive 3rd party support, a rapidly growing online service, the most and diversed entertainment apps in this industry and much more first party games than this gen. The negativity is only for one single rumor and does not give you the whole idea.

Yeah, I never said it should be only about gaming. I said gaming should be the main focus. It is called a video game console after all.



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VGKing said:
DirtyP2002 said:
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
Carl2291 said:
VGKing said:

Microsoft isn't a cool or hip company. Microsoft knows this which is why they left their branding out of the XBox 360 retail boxes.

Xbox however is a very popular console and it is "cool". What we've seen recently is Microsoft milking the Xbox brand for all its worth to try to push a music service and other stuff that doesn't even make sense and has no business having "Xbox" in its name. The only reason Skype is still Skype is being the service is very popular already. If it wasn't, you can bet Microsoft would call it "Xbox Video Chat".

Recently though, Microsfot has fumbled with Xbox. They're trying to move it away from what makes it cool and hip to try and make it more family and kid friendly with Kinect. If Microsoft succeeds is making it the family console, it wont' be the "cool" and "hip" thing anymore. It'll be the next Wii and we saw what happened there.

(The above paragraphs are just my paraphrasing of the article. They may or may not reflect my views.)

Right, thanks.

Xbox is going the way of Wii.

Imagine how popular the console will be if/when Microsoft retain the 3rd party support that made Xbox so strong in the 1st place. Could see PS2 levels of popularity!

This.  VGKing would be correct if Microsoft didn't have strong 3rd Party support.  Look at VGChartz software sales, for example.  Routinely the Xbox 360 version outsells the PS3 version.  The heres and whys of that aren't important, what is important to developers, is that they know if they put out a game on the Xbox 360 it'll sell.  The same should hold true for the Xbox 8.

Nintendo has suffered because it couldn't retain it's third-party support, often scoffing at them, and worse they couldn't attract them after the fact.

Between the Xbox and Xbox 360, Microsoft sat down with developers and asked them what they wanted, and Microsoft has continually made an effort to deliever that.  I don't think that's going to change any time soon.  Microsoft has always been a company of developers, built for developers.  So the day Microsoft fails to listen to developers is the first day in the end of Microsoft.

I don't think Microsoft's future plans are bad for the company at all.  I think they help to put the Xbox in a stronger position and into more homes.  Maybe this means that more people use the console for non-gaming purposes, but when those households have children or people need something to do during downtime, they can turn on their Xbox and play games.

I think this strategy is what scares a lot of Playstation loyalists.  If Microsoft succeeds in getting into more homes due to it's media and communication services, then it'll have a foothold in houses as a gaming system where one didn't exist before.  With that foothold, it undermines Sony's and Nintendo's chances of entering the household. 

Microsoft doesn't have to build it's core gamer business.  The evidence is there that it already exists and it's strong.  If both Sony and Microsoft are even next generation on core gamers, then the opportunity for growth is once again going to be in non-gaming, social gaming, and casual gaming.  Microsoft has been building its services up and making acquisitons to put it in a better position with non-gaming and social gaming. 

I don't see doom and gloom for Microsoft. 

Microsoft is using the Xbox brand to push other parts of its business. Now, I dont' see that as a problem, but when the "other parts of its business" seems to be taking priority over games, that's when we should be cautious. Do we really want to support a video game console that puts gaming as secondary? Do we really want to support a video game console that is more like a high-end DVR/cable box?

I think Microsofts next-gen strategy will become clear on May 21st. I think this will only lead to more negativity.

@Bolded
SHOCKED! I thought you would welcome every new device from MS!

I would be pissed if the next Xbox was only about gaming these days. This is not the N64.
I want my console to offer VoD, Music and a lot of apps like SkyGo. 

MS will have a massive 3rd party support, a rapidly growing online service, the most and diversed entertainment apps in this industry and much more first party games than this gen. The negativity is only for one single rumor and does not give you the whole idea.

Yeah, I never said it should be only about gaming. I said gaming should be the main focus. It is called a video game console after all.

And feel free to tell me what indicates that the next Xbox won't offer the same gaming experiences like the PS4?



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:



And feel free to tell me what indicates that the next Xbox won't offer the same gaming experiences like the PS4?

History? Their last few E3 press conferences? Their huge Kinect focus?

Everything I"ve seen and heard over the last few months/years leads me to believe Microsoft is positioning the next Xbox as an entertaiment box for casual gaming while the PS4 will be a gaming console with some entertainment options.



VGKing said:
DirtyP2002 said:



And feel free to tell me what indicates that the next Xbox won't offer the same gaming experiences like the PS4?

History? Their last few E3 press conferences? Their huge Kinect focus?

Everything I"ve seen and heard over the last few months/years leads me to believe Microsoft is positioning the next Xbox as an entertaiment box for casual gaming while the PS4 will be a gaming console with some entertainment options.

So the guys they hired from Naughty Dog (The Last of US), Irrational Games (BioShock Infinite), Sucker Punch (InFamous 2), UbiSoft (Rainbow 6 Patriots), Electronic Arts (BF3) will do Kinect family games then?



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

VGKing said:
DirtyP2002 said:



And feel free to tell me what indicates that the next Xbox won't offer the same gaming experiences like the PS4?

History? Their last few E3 press conferences? Their huge Kinect focus?

Everything I"ve seen and heard over the last few months/years leads me to believe Microsoft is positioning the next Xbox as an entertaiment box for casual gaming while the PS4 will be a gaming console with some entertainment options.

Here is VGKing logic...

MS is putting a big focus on entertainment and casuals. So even though they put out core games as well, the 360 and next Xbox won't appeal to anyone but casuals!

The thing about Sony fans, they don't realize its the 3rd parties that really help draw in the core audiences. 3rd party software accounts for a vast majority of software sales on PS360.

Sony fans feel MS is trying to appeal to everyone, while Sony is just focused on core. Therefore Sony platforms have an unparalleled core experience. While the MS machines are just for casuals.



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DirtyP2002 said:
VGKing said:
DirtyP2002 said:



And feel free to tell me what indicates that the next Xbox won't offer the same gaming experiences like the PS4?

History? Their last few E3 press conferences? Their huge Kinect focus?

Everything I"ve seen and heard over the last few months/years leads me to believe Microsoft is positioning the next Xbox as an entertaiment box for casual gaming while the PS4 will be a gaming console with some entertainment options.

So the guys they hired from Naughty Dog (The Last of US), Irrational Games (BioShock Infinite), Sucker Punch (InFamous 2), UbiSoft (Rainbow 6 Patriots), Electronic Arts (BF3) will do Kinect family games then?

That depends. Are they additions to the Rare studio?