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BloodyRain on 01 May 2013

I'm going with
PS4: 42%
Xbox Infinity:38%
Wii U-20%



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JakDaSnack on 01 May 2013
platformmaster918 said:
JakDaSnack said:
platformmaster918 said:
JakDaSnack said:
platformmaster918 said:
JakDaSnack said:
Daisuke72 said:
Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
Nintendo fans are eager for this gen to end because the only way they can claim that Nintendo won. Of course, when you look for a winner, you look for the one which sold the most - not the one who sold the most in an arbitrary period of time.

it's actually the other way around, sony fans are eager for the generation to last as long as possible because that's the only way they have a slight chance to say that sony "won".


I'll spell it for you - it doesn't matter how long a gen lasts. The winner is the one who ends up selling the most. And you and me know that it's not going to be the Nintendo Wii.

neither me nor you know that. but so far wii is 25M ahead, and the only way for ps3 to have a slight chance to close that gap is selling well for a long time. ps3 is selling moderately now, it will sell little next year and nearly nothing the 1 or 2 years after if it isn't discontinued before. ps2 is still on the market because it was still selling well, it got 7M on 2009, it's 9th year. ps3 is gonna sell 8M on it's 7th year (2013) so considering the decline it should have a smaller life than ps2 so i'm guessing 10 years. it won't be enough to pass the wii.


But the PS3 is selling at a $249 price point, where as the PS2 was selling at $149 or something close to the figure. Can't crunch numbers like that until the PS3 gets an overdue price cut, which will drastically effect its sales.

Here is the issue with that, when the ps2 was selling at 150 whichwas half of it's initial launch price, the ps3 is currently selling at 250 which is less than half of it's launch price, do you really expect Sony to bring the ps3's price down to 150?

But honestly, I really don't care if the ps3 sells more than the wii, sure sony fans may start bragging about how the ps3 sold more, but all you have to do is point out how much more money the wii made than the ps3.

So you'd completely change the subject?  Seems like a good strategy I guess.  Funny how sales mattered when Wii was dominating.

Change the subject, yes, completely change it no.

I argued your point, then gave a new point.  That is how debating works, and i never said that sales mattered when the wii was dominating, don't put words in my mouth.  

I didn't say you specifically.  Don't be a hypocrite.  Just a generalization.  Most people (especially Xbox fans) wanted to talk straight sales until PS3 started getting so close that it became inevitable that it would pass 360.  Now that it looks like it may pass Wii I see man Nintendo fans (which I am) people are starting to talk profitability.  People should at least stay consistant.  If sales is what we're talking about then we're not talking about profit.  Nintendo wins in profit that's obvious.  Hell even when their home consoles aren't going so well their handhelds make a killing (see GC and GBA).  There's no debate there so no reason to talk about it other than to pat Nintendo on the back.

How am I being a hypocrite?  Anyways, fair enough, we don't have to talk about how much money they make, but i still made a point about the ps2 being 150 and the ps3 being 250, which you never mentioned:P

I'm not really sure what your point is with that tbh.  What does the percentage of the original price of the platform have to do with anything?  PS3 may not get to $99 anytime soon like PS2 did (or maybe ever) but $200 is still viewed as a big hurdle to get under and with the cheaper model and the components coming down for a year and a half already since the last price cut I can see PS3 still getting to $200 this year.  Maybe it'll be $150 by 2015 and get another small boost.  It's taken a lot longer to get down to that point due to the system being more expensive in the first place but it will still get there eventually I think.

It has to do with the cost to manufacture, since the ps2 cost roughly half as much as the ps3, you likely won't see the ps3 ever sell for less than 200.  But who knows, everything will change once the ps4 comes down, and I think next year will be a good indication as to whether the ps3 will outsell the wii.  Well, technically the ps3 hasn't outsold the 360 yet(at least on vgchartz), so i guess we should be focusing on that first.



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goopy20 on 01 May 2013
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
RazorDragon said:

It won't outsell both and it won't be the 1st most sold console. The console with the best hardware never wins, I guess after 8 generations of gaming consoles people would already know that.

Your saying the best hardware never wins like it's a universal law. Your forgetting that it's Sony we are taking about. They have been dominating the console market for 2 decades lol. Sure they made some mistakes this gen which MS could capitalize on. Great for MS, but there is a reason why Sony has always been on top and managed to survive the current gen when everything was against them. Next gen they aren't going to make the same mistakes. They got the 3rd party support, the best exclusives, the best hardware and no doubt a kickass online service that will be at least as good as what MS will come up with.

http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg

For a game company that has been "dominating" the last 2 decades, you'd think they wouldn't have taken so many losses, i mean, at the very least you'd think they would have made at least a little more money than their direct competitor(Nintendo), but no.  In fact sony only made more money in 2 of those years, that's weird, cus you just said they had been dominating, I guess I misread what you said.

People always need to bring money and profits into the equation as some kind of defence mechanisme. Fact is ever since Sony entered the console market they crushed the competition for a reason. This gen they definetly messed up though, mostly because of arrogance and a clumsy architecture that allowed the competition to have the better looking multiplatform games, a better online service and a pricepoint that was almost half of Sony's console for a long time.

Sony won't make the same mistake twice though and this it seems like MS is getting cocky: forcing Kinect, always online, subscription fees etc. At the same time Nintendo is already out of the race before it even started if you ask me. It's selling like 30k units a week now, let alone when the real next gen consoles/ game engines hit the market. LEts be optimistic and say Wii-U sales remain as they are, then we are looking at around 8m units sold over a period of 6 years... 

 

So much wrong in your statement, I don't know where to begin.

The Wii-U isn't being outsold 4:1 by a current gen console? And people aren't pissed because of all the next gen Xbox rumours?

Off course nobody knows what will happen, but since we are speculating, Sony seems in a pretty good place at the moment. People also seem to forget that it's very rare for 2 consoles in a generation to sell such equal numbers. I honestly don't think MS can pull that off a second time under different conditions (no year headstart, no superior looking multiplatform games, not alone with teamspeak, no price advantage etc.) MS really needs exclusive AAA IP's now and they didn't really succeed in building those with the 360.



Zero999 on 01 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:
platformmaster918 said:

So you'd completely change the subject?  Seems like a good strategy I guess.  Funny how sales mattered when Wii was dominating.

funny how sales stopped mattering after the ps2 and magically mattered again when ps3 FINALY started doing better.


How can you say such a thing when you JUST joined the forums15 days ago? Sales have always mattered here

sony fanboys during ps2: sales matter
sony fanboys during ps3 pre 2010: sales doesn't matter

sony fanboys during ps3 recently: sales matter again because ps3 is finaly selling better

that's how it was/is.



JakDaSnack on 01 May 2013
goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
JakDaSnack said:
goopy20 said:
RazorDragon said:

It won't outsell both and it won't be the 1st most sold console. The console with the best hardware never wins, I guess after 8 generations of gaming consoles people would already know that.

Your saying the best hardware never wins like it's a universal law. Your forgetting that it's Sony we are taking about. They have been dominating the console market for 2 decades lol. Sure they made some mistakes this gen which MS could capitalize on. Great for MS, but there is a reason why Sony has always been on top and managed to survive the current gen when everything was against them. Next gen they aren't going to make the same mistakes. They got the 3rd party support, the best exclusives, the best hardware and no doubt a kickass online service that will be at least as good as what MS will come up with.

http://i.imgur.com/zYw1A.jpg

For a game company that has been "dominating" the last 2 decades, you'd think they wouldn't have taken so many losses, i mean, at the very least you'd think they would have made at least a little more money than their direct competitor(Nintendo), but no.  In fact sony only made more money in 2 of those years, that's weird, cus you just said they had been dominating, I guess I misread what you said.

People always need to bring money and profits into the equation as some kind of defence mechanisme. Fact is ever since Sony entered the console market they crushed the competition for a reason. This gen they definetly messed up though, mostly because of arrogance and a clumsy architecture that allowed the competition to have the better looking multiplatform games, a better online service and a pricepoint that was almost half of Sony's console for a long time.

Sony won't make the same mistake twice though and this it seems like MS is getting cocky: forcing Kinect, always online, subscription fees etc. At the same time Nintendo is already out of the race before it even started if you ask me. It's selling like 30k units a week now, let alone when the real next gen consoles/ game engines hit the market. LEts be optimistic and say Wii-U sales remain as they are, then we are looking at around 8m units sold over a period of 6 years... 

 

So much wrong in your statement, I don't know where to begin.

The Wii-U isn't being outsold 4:1 by a current gen console? And people aren't pissed because of all the next gen Xbox rumours?

Off course nobody knows what will happen, but since we are speculating, Sony seems in a pretty good place at the moment. People also seem to forget that it's very rare for 2 consoles in a generation to sell such equal numbers. I honestly don't think MS can pull that off a second time under different conditions (no year headstart, no superior looking multiplatform games, not alone with teamspeak, no price advantage etc.) MS really needs exclusive AAA IP's now and they didn't really succeed in building those with the 360.

LOLOLOLOL, so now you think the xbox rumors are just rumors instead of fact?  lol stop changing your mind.



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MontanaHatchet on 01 May 2013

The PS4 seems to be doing just about everything right from a gamer's perspective, but that alone doesn't guarantee market success.

I imagine that if Microsoft matches the PS4 in features/tech with the 720, it will be the best selling system in NA for the 8th gen. The 360 has built up a brand name in that region that will be really tough to beat. Meanwhile, Nintendo has squandered their lead with the Wii U and hasn't been making much effort to recover. While Nintendo will inevitably increase sales with a price drop and their usual lineup (3D Mario, Smash Bros., Zelda, sequels to Wii titles), they likely won't have substantial 3rd party support and I doubt they'll be able to pull anywhere near the same casual audience they got early on with the Wii.

While consoles can reverse their fortunes later on in the generation, it's rare for a system with anemic initial sales to be on top by the end of the generation. However, the PS3 might be able to pull it off, so you never know. If I had to predict the standings by the end of the 8th gen, it would be:

NA region:

1. Xbox 720
2. PS4
3. Wii U

Japan:

1. PS4
2. Wii U
3. Xbox 720

EU:

1. PS4
2. Xbox 720
3. Wii U

But frankly, anything can chance. We don't know enough about either the PS4 or the 720 to make any declarative judgments.



 

 

atma998 on 01 May 2013
maxnyc said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:
platformmaster918 said:

So you'd completely change the subject?  Seems like a good strategy I guess.  Funny how sales mattered when Wii was dominating.

funny how sales stopped mattering after the ps2 and magically mattered again when ps3 FINALY started doing better.


How can you say such a thing when you JUST joined the forums15 days ago? Sales have always mattered here

Yes sales do matter here, so let me repeat this post for you & would love to hear what you think-

 

Ok, let's start over & maybe you can follow me this time. Sony is in awful shape as a company, they've literally had to sell their NY & Tokyo headquarters to stay afloat. They simply CANNOT afford to sell the ps4 at a loss. Yet they also CANNOT sell the ps4 for a very high price point (just look at the ps3 launch or vita as examples of high price point = low sales). Sony has stated they will have 8gb DDR5 RAM in the ps4, which will be expensive (no matter how great you think Sony engineering is). Therefore, i'm failing to understand how Sony will successfully launch a powerful system, that will be priced reasonably for a mass market (in a declining economy)? How does that somehow work out for them? Either they take a massive loss on hardware sales (& literally risk going out of business because of it), or ps4 will be very expensive, which i believe will lead to very low sales.

The reason i brought up Vita is- First, you claimed that Sony won't fail "marketshare wise", but if you look Vita IS failing quite badly actually. And Vita shows a strategy on the part of Sony to make a powerful, but expensive system, which seems likely to continue with the ps4. If Sony is following the same path with the ps4, then how will it work out differently than the Vita?

 


They won't be able to answer anything as your point with Vita cannot be denied.  I just can't see how Sony will do better with PS4 if they use the same strategy they used with the Vita.



Tachikoma on 01 May 2013

meh, whats this about sony fans saying sales didnt matter until the ps3 gained? you mean like how sales mattered to xbox fans till the ps3 caught up then suddenly it was about revenue if the company instead? youre bloody hypocrits.

alao whats that about the 360 not birthing good IP's? sorry i was busy playing gears of war, and xbox only continuations of existing ips like forza and halo, people can moan all they want about the number of defining games the fact is they exist, to denie that is to be deluded.

frankly, the power difference doesnt matter, what matters is going to be the games, and to make damn sure i dont miss out on anything big, i'll be buying both systems at launch, alwaya online, no used games or not, because i'm a gamer, and games matter more to me than the name in the box that plays them.



Max King of the Wild on 01 May 2013

Zero:

sony fanboys during ps3 recently: sales matter again because ps3 is finaly selling better

that's how it was/is.

yes, you and all your 9 year old friends sat around in 2000 arguing about sales. Hell, you were 15 when this gen started. Every 9 to 15 year old is interested in compiling financial reports from the big 3 to sit around and analyze it with friends. Am i right? 

somethin happened as i was typing on my phone and what i said went into your quote. anway, what im saying is i highly doubt you know what you are talking about



Zero999 on 02 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:

Zero:

sony fanboys during ps3 recently: sales matter again because ps3 is finaly selling better

that's how it was/is.

yes, you and all your 9 year old friends sat around in 2000 arguing about sales. Hell, you were 15 when this gen started. Every 9 to 15 year old is interested in compiling financial reports from the big 3 to sit around and analyze it with friends. Am i right? 

somethin happened as i was typing on my phone and what i said went into your quote. anway, what im saying is i highly doubt you know what you are talking about

I wasn't born when world war 2 happened, that doesn't stop me from knowing about it, does it? I don't recall saying I was checking video game sales and fanboy comments when I was nine, i can just get that information.