Who said anything about the Wii having better games than the PS2?

What last gen is stuff is Nintendo upping? Nintendo doesn't push tech. They manipulate tech to work in the favor of their games so you can play it in different ways. 

While games are turnin into smart ai simulators and creating a variety of games with various challenges Nintendo will still be focused on family and fun. Thats how it is and always will be or as far as it will go for the near future.

Are you referring to the Wii or the Wii U, and to graphics or gamplay?

I would say both really to which console and to graphics or gameplay, Nintendo don't push those either. They leave the rudimentary feeling while changing the way you game. Just because I say rudimentary it doesnt mean that no difficulty is involved but there is. The rudimentary par comes from the fact of who Nintendo are making these games for. Nintendo never changes their inward mentality so I can most definitely say both. They dont push graphics even on a console that has great graphics potential. The most impressive and expansive worlds ever created was in Super Mario and Zelda and it still hasnt changed for Nintendo. Those games never pushed graphics, but they were so amazing no one gave a crap. Art style pushes so many love buttons in so many peoples memory because they can take you away from the technical aspects of the game and I think thats great. Nintendo puts you in a world where graphics dont matter and thats just the way I remember them today which is no different than yesteryear when they were my primary console provider. They dont need elaborate stories. Nintendos greatest asset is their creativity and art direction when it comes to their characters. Nintendos games have the building blocks to create gamers out of young children and novice gamers. Microsoft and Sony do no posess the key to this just yet. Sonys creative asset is narrative, cinematics, dialog and character development games with moderate level gameplay as the lowest learning curve. They essentially want you ride the movies because thats what the Playstation has turned into Universal Studios in a box whilst Nintendo is disney in a box. The Xbox 360 doesnt focus so much on the creative but general online and we can be thankful for them because if they werent around we would be scraping around. Microsofts innovation does not come from its games because thats actually their weak point, they got gamers to forget about games for ten seconds and realize that OS matters in games. 

In conclusion every has their strengths and weaknesses and I like a little bit of everything.

ive disagreed with some of the things uve said in various threads lately but this is pretty spot and i agree completely

Whoever said we cannot agree on something was a fool (lol). Everyone, even enemies can agree upon something.

It is a good job compared to PS360 but underpowered compared to PS4/Nextbox.

I think the Wii U will produce some great visuals.  There is a law of diminishing returns in effect here, so while there is no doubt that the PS4 is more powerful than the Wii U (even without knowing exactly what's under the Wii U hood), it is slightly subjective as to what is underpowered or not.

For example, I have a Porsche 911.  You have a Nissan Altima.  Is the Altima underpowered or is the Porsche over powered?  If money is no object, the choice is clear, but of course at the end of the day money matters.  MANY would argue the Porsche is a waste of money / power etc.  

Nintendo made a "risky" move for a second time in a row with an alternative take on a controller.  Will it pay off again?  Only time will tell.  But the porting of games from the PS4 to Wii U should be even easier than it was porting from the PS3 to the Wii.  Porting from PS3 to Wii U should be easy relatively speaking...  Developers are not doing so because they don't see the return on investment being there (yet, if ever), not because the system is "underpowered". 

Yes there is and PS4 doesn't pass the point where it takes into effect. When it comes to power consumption it is exactly at the right spot power/performance wise, atleast in the graphics department. The same goes for price/performance. Let's say the cpu/gpu of the PS4 is 4 times as expensive to produce but it's 6 times as fast. Then the returns are greater than the investment.

Technically, the law of diminishing returns is an equation / curve.  It's always in effect.  But I think what I get what you mean based on the second part of your paragraph.  So I agree on that.

The second part of your statement is very true if looking at things from a purely technical standpoint.  For example, things like flops, or bandwidth.  Things you can measure, then compare vs cost.  But what if you take the subjective (no joke) nature of what that technology acheives, might be a different story.  For example, your chip costs 4x as much, has 6x the flops, but when compared side by side 90% of participants in a study say they only see 1.5x of a difference (for the better).  Perception is study in psychology and certainly is subjective.  I don't play FLOPS, I play games!

Besides, I'm not trying to split hairs with you.  All I'm saying is that Nintendo is taking a different approach (again).  Last gen, it almost appears that most people that owned a Wii also ended up owning 1 of (if not both) of the other two consoles.  I think Nintendo is OK with that IF they can replicate it again.  They are potentially some solid game releases and a price cut away from doing just that.  Kids like their call of duty (in fact, more kids I know play that game than ANY nintendo game lol).  But they also like their Marios/ MARIO KART, Zeldas, etc.  In order to get the best of both you almost NEED to own 2 of the 3 consoles.  Maybe even all 3.  

The question is what do the families/gamers on a lower budget do?  If Nintendo can achieve a lower price, they might win the families.  Gamers will save for the one system that has the most games they like, so PS4/Xbox might have an advantage there with a plethora of 3rd party support.  Anyhow, getting a bit off topic here, but it's unjustified to call the Wii U underpowered when it really depends on what context you put it in.  It would be just as unjustified as me calling the PS4 overpowered.  All subjective.

All this coming from someone who buys every system, with no bias.