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brendude13 said:
JakDaSnack said:

Again, the console wars are about profit, not just selling the most amount of consoles.

Gamecube beat PS2 last gen?


That should settle it.



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brendude13 said:
JakDaSnack said:

Again, the console wars are about profit, not just selling the most amount of consoles.

Gamecube beat PS2 last gen?


That's the most idiotic thing i've read today....Sony made a ton more profit off the ps2 than Nintendo did with the gamecube...I get that your trying to be clever, but please, do research before making yourself look stupid.



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I disagree, they barely made real profit off the PS3, it's still at last place for installment, and it will never be at PS2 level success. If anything, the PS brand has fallen hard. Come back would be it being at first place in install base, making a ton of profits, and reaching PS2 level sales by now.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Sony managed an impressive turnaround with PS3, but it pales in comparison to the renaissance Nintendo achieved with Wii.

Honestly, the two scenarios aren't really close. PS3 endured a rocky launch and then improved greatly, but Nintendo moved from last place to first place with one of the most revolutionary, disruptive, financially successful consoles of all time.

Even if we're talking about a single console generation, Sony hasn't "won" anything. It's still sitting in third place. I'm not saying it deserves to be in third -- it doesn't -- but it IS there. If a basketball team had a 13-0 run to end the game, but still lost 78-75, it wouldn't be called a comeback, would it?

Really the only way to argue this is to cite software, but even that would be a losing argument. The early PS3 games might not be as impressive as the later ones, but there were some gems: Resistance, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, etc.


I think nobody disagrees with the point that the Wii Comeback was an impressive achievment but it happened over 2 generations not in the same gen. PS3 managed to destroy everything PS2 has built and is now back on track of recovery. This is if you look just on one gen pretty impressive. Normally Consoles fail from start to end. If you do bad in the first years you do bad the whole gen.

SNES was never a failure it just took awhile in the US to catch up to Segas 2 year headstart. And it steadily gained marketshare in the US. The situation has parallels but its not equal to PS3s failure.

 

The 3DS is  the only other console that squandered the gains from its predecessor and managed to do decent afterwards. Thats why everybody screams  Wii U doom. Recovery is usually not a thing. And 3DS/PS3 are unique in that they were the reason for decline and managed to pick somewhat up again. SNES is a similar success story if you disregard that it was the NES staying too long on the market which made the SNES play catch up for the first years. It wasn't really the console that did bad. Just the Sega US marketing was pretty effective in planting the idea of Segas superiority in the heads of american teens . Sega lost steadily ground to the SNES everywhere. Sure they sold more at first but the more was getting constantly smaller. 

 

I wouldnt call PS3 a comeback to past strength but its an impressive turnaround and if PS4 does great from the start I would say that would be a comeback.

 

In the end its all semantics... there is no right answer anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



It improved a WHOLE lot.

I wouldn't call it a comeback though until it passes the 360 World Wide.

 

If a sports team starts doing well in the second half after doing awful in the first half but still lose you don't say they had a comeback... you say they "Almost had a comeback."



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TheLastStarFighter said:
This thread has gone all over the place and has some misinfo and misunderstanding.

The PS3 is the second biggest comeback console. #1 is the SNES, and the stories are kinda similar for the two. The SNES launched last behind the Genesis and Turbographix 16, but it was more powerful and had much better 3rd party support. As the generation went on the other systems lost steam while the SNES eventually dominated the market. Whoever said Genesis beat SNES and was a big comeback is way off. SNES outsold Genesis 50 million to 30 million. Genesis was an early starter, not a comeback.

PS3 is a similar story, as it was a follow up to a massive success but started slow and took a long time to gain market. But it istn't the biggest comeback because, as has been said by others, it's still in last place. It will probably finish a slight second in the end but it will still have about 30% market share. SNES meanwhile went from last to around 60% market share, making it a much, much bigger comeback success.

Did the SNES start selling awful though?

I mean... as i seemed to remember, the Genesis had such a huge lead because the NES was still doing amazing so it took a while for it to even need to be released.



Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Lawlight said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Sony managed an impressive turnaround with PS3, but it pales in comparison to the renaissance Nintendo achieved with Wii.

Honestly, the two scenarios aren't really close. PS3 endured a rocky launch and then improved greatly, but Nintendo moved from last place to first place with one of the most revolutionary, disruptive, financially successful consoles of all time.

Even if we're talking about a single console generation, Sony hasn't "won" anything. It's still sitting in third place. I'm not saying it deserves to be in third -- it doesn't -- but it IS there. If a basketball team had a 13-0 run to end the game, but still lost 78-75, it wouldn't be called a comeback, would it?

Really the only way to argue this is to cite software, but even that would be a losing argument. The early PS3 games might not be as impressive as the later ones, but there were some gems: Resistance, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, etc.


Well, the turnaround is a fluke, basically. It just so happened that non-gamers latched on to the novelty. No different from the tamagotchi.

I'm confused by your post. Are you refuting my point? Or are you taking a pot shot at Nintendo? Or both? Or neither?

Which point? The point where you assume that the race is over? As you say, the one with the most points win and we don't know the final score yet.


Then tell us when you think the race is over. When PS3 sold enough? :) This is the thing most argue about: when is the "race" over? Nintendo already quit race. So for them race is already over. Usually Sony sells their consoles longer than others so it's somehow shifted.

 

Well, the race is over when there is no possibility of any change in the ranking. And Nintendo forfeiting doesn't mean the race is over.


Thanks for your opinion to this.


That's not an opinion. It's a fact that the one who finishes with the most units sold wins - just like the football team which finishes with the most points wins.


Yes, but it is different if one football team keeps on playing while the other team already went to another opponent and is playing against the others. But let me ask you one question: if PS3 fails, god forbid, to gain number 1 in sales in 20xx, will PS3 automatically have lost this gen?



This thread is ridiculous. A comeback for a company compared to a console? That's apples to oranges. Make a thread saying Nintendo made the best comeback if you want and I'm sure most would agree with you that are disagreeing with you here.

I'm not back peddling. I haven't made any claims to back peddle on. And I won't quote you when I'm on my phone.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo made more profit than Sony during GC era. Profits are important for a company but while talking about performance of an item it's irrelevant. Example I used earlier in the thread are sports teams that do great but can barely sell 5k tickets a game (Pheonix Coyotes and Chicago White Sox). You don't see people thinking the Cubs are a great team because they sell out every game.


Kasz - people do refer to being down and out and making a game out of it later a come back as I've posted evidence earlier.



Not exactly a comeback if you don't come in first place. The PS3 will finish second, which is a great (yet expensive) accomplishment though.



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JakDaSnack said:
brendude13 said:
JakDaSnack said:

Again, the console wars are about profit, not just selling the most amount of consoles.

Gamecube beat PS2 last gen?


That's the most idiotic thing i've read today....Sony made a ton more profit off the ps2 than Nintendo did with the gamecube...I get that your trying to be clever, but please, do research before making yourself look stupid.

Calm down.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136006&page=1

Not sure how accurate this is, though you'll probably refute it regardless.