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TheKoreanGuy on 15 April 2013

Basically, it won't. For the most part anyways. Since the PS3 and 360 will be supported for another good 2 years, the Wii U will see solid ports till then.




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Zero999 on 15 April 2013
drkohler said:
Zero999 said:

amazing, because the ps3 fat uses like 160 watts, so by your logic wii u has less than half the specs of a ps3.there's something called efficiency, wii u does much more than ps360 with less power usage because it's efficient modern tech enables it. do yourself a favor and don't waste others time with this s**t.

Where in my post did I mention current gen consoles?


you mentioned a higher tech console would require more power consumption and then I proved you wrong.



Zero999 on 15 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Zero999 said:
drkohler said:
Zero999 said:

Hello everyone, first post here. I felt the need to write here because of all the nonsense some posts have. Here are my full opinions on wii u situation.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should not start your first post with a second sentence, and then do just that for the rest of the post.

Look, it is very simple. performance comes with a price, and the price for computers is power input. You want twice the performance, it costs you twice the power. That's just the way it is. The WiiU uses rouhly 35Watts, entire system. Both NextBox and PS4 are probably around 150W (or even more), with more modern components. So any "WiU is similar to NextConsoles" is wishful thinking. The difference WILL be noticable with the very first NextGen console games. I'd go as far as predict a horrible death to the WiiU console beginning next year. Nintendo had the advantage of the Wii inpit device against PS360, they have nothing (except lowering price way down) now against NextGen consoles.

amazing, because the ps3 fat uses like 160 watts, so by your logic wii u has less than half the specs of a ps3.there's something called efficiency, wii u does much more than ps360 with less power usage because it's efficient modern tech enables it. do yourself a favor and don't waste others time with this s**t.

haters try everything to put wii u down.conveniently this watt thing started when wii u watt usage was revealed, we even made a joke in brazil foruns over here, saying things like "wii u will have nintendo games in hd and 70 watts" or "my electric shower consumes 300 watts, so it should play the agnil's philosofy demo.

i wonder what the next excuse will be. the console size? the console heat?

The issues the Wii U is having is a tech issue and nothing more. Wattage has absolutely nothing to do with it. Third party devs need powerful hardware that is a jump from last gen and the Wii U is on par with last gen. They cannot realize their goals for next gen with the Wii U's tech, plain and simple. People can defend Nintendo all they want but we're talking tech here not the fact that this is a new Nintendo console. Nintendo will get its own games and they will mostly be exclusive. A lot of people will most likely enjoy them regardless of the ignorance. I will have a Wii U as well but I want a next gen console first before I get a Nintendo console for its exclusives.


you say that based on nothing but hate over nintendo, and as I stated before, repeating that won't magically make it true.



drkohler on 15 April 2013
Zero999 said:


you mentioned a higher tech console would require more power consumption and then I proved you wrong.

I mentioned nothing of that sort: "You want twice the performance, it costs you twice the power." What part of that sentence don't you understand?



Zero999 on 15 April 2013
drkohler said:
Zero999 said:


you mentioned a higher tech console would require more power consumption and then I proved you wrong.

I mentioned nothing of that sort: "You want twice the performance, it costs you twice the power." What part of that sentence don't you understand?


then why is wii u more powerful then ps360 while consuming less power? also "The WiiU uses rouhly 35Watts, entire system. Both NextBox and PS4 are probably around 150W (or even more), with more modern components. So any "WiU is similar to NextConsoles" is wishful thinking." that's what you said, you can't unsay now. guess what also consumed 150W? ps3.

seriously stop trying, you're out of arguments since the beggining. i'll stop wasting time with you now.



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Pemalite on 15 April 2013
drkohler said:
Zero999 said:


you mentioned a higher tech console would require more power consumption and then I proved you wrong.

I mentioned nothing of that sort: "You want twice the performance, it costs you twice the power." What part of that sentence don't you understand?


Except, performance and power consumption isn't linear.

For example, my CPU in my PC comes clocked natively at 3.2ghz.
I *could* overclock that to 4ghz and drop the voltage and keep the CPU's power consumption static or even lower than the default settings.
I.E. More performance with less power consumption.

Besides, if what you said was true, we would all need Nuclear power plants in our homes to power just our PC's, because performance has increases many thousands of multiples over the past few decades, so please forgive everyone if they don't take your word as gospel. :)



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hinch on 15 April 2013
Zero999 said:
drkohler said:
Zero999 said:


you mentioned a higher tech console would require more power consumption and then I proved you wrong.

I mentioned nothing of that sort: "You want twice the performance, it costs you twice the power." What part of that sentence don't you understand?


then why is wii u more powerful then ps360 while consuming less power? also "The WiiU uses rouhly 35Watts, entire system. Both NextBox and PS4 are probably around 150W (or even more), with more modern components. So any "WiU is similar to NextConsoles" is wishful thinking." that's what you said, you can't unsay now. guess what also consumed 150W? ps3.

seriously stop trying, you're out of arguments since the beggining. i'll stop wasting time with you now.

The Wii U chips are newer and are done by modern fabrication - so they are more efficient. The Wii U has a more powerful GPU than both the 360 and PS3 and has more RAM (2x more usable). But.. it's CPU is slightly worse and the RAM significantly slower. Those components bottleneck the system, so in the end, the three consoles perform pretty much comparably to each other. Wii U will be better at rendering graphics but is worse at handling more CPU intensive software.

Nextgen consoles will be using the latest AMD processors and will have considerably more ram (which is also a lot faster) than the Wii U. So you will see an even bigger jump from the Wii U to PS4/720.



Michael-5 on 15 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Michael-5 said:

Because back then, Nintendo's reputation as a console manufacterer, were destroyed. Even then, Wii still managed to aquire a reasonable list of JRPG exclusives (Tales of Graces, Arc Rise Fantasia, Tales of Symphinia 2, Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest X, Dragon Quest Swords, Rune Factory, Fragile Dreams, etc) even if some of the bigger ones were 1st party. Remember, a lot of Wii JRPG's never got localized. Next gen, Wii U will get more, and PS4 will get less, simple.

LOL, when it's E3/TGS, you'll realize that PS4 will be abandoned by the Japanese, much like the PSV was. Well realistically, not as extreme, but I wouldn't be surprised if FFXV turned out to be a Wii U exclusive.


I am proud to bestow you with your first official WTF of the day. :)

Do you really think Sony can reattract the Japanese gamers after loosing so much support with the PS3? PSP had a lot of JRPG's, but now with the PSV many Japanese 3rd party developers are shifting most of their projects to 3DS.

Do you not think that in Japan, this might also become the case for consoles? How many JRPG's really pushed the 360/PS3 graphically? None really, maybe Lost Odyssey, but that's it. Japanese developers don't need that extra graphical push the PS4 has over the Wii U, and if Wii U, like Wii, has a larger install base in Japan, then it's inevitable that we will see more Japanese support on the Wii U then PS4.

Plus Nintendo is very supportive nowdays, with them games like Last Story and Pandora's Tower got funding in the first place. If Square Enix goes to Nintendo and asks for funding for an exclusive FFXV, Nintendo will not say no. It makes a lot more sense to make largely developed games like FFXIII Versus exclusive to Wii U, instead of rebuilding the game for PS4. Plus with all of Sony's financial troubles lately, it's not like they will be able to produce many 1st party JRPG's.

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This could change late into the generation though, I mean in this gen, the 360 was the JRPG machine, and then the PS3 really played catchup with.



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Michael-5 on 15 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The issues the Wii U is having is a tech issue and nothing more. Wattage has absolutely nothing to do with it. Third party devs need powerful hardware that is a jump from last gen and the Wii U is on par with last gen. They cannot realize their goals for next gen with the Wii U's tech, plain and simple. People can defend Nintendo all they want but we're talking tech here not the fact that this is a new Nintendo console. Nintendo will get its own games and they will mostly be exclusive. A lot of people will most likely enjoy them regardless of the ignorance. I will have a Wii U as well but I want a next gen console first before I get a Nintendo console for its exclusives.

Ignorance seems to go two ways...

I think Wii U will get noticably more 3rd party exclusives, and more multiplatform games. I think games like Mass Effect 4 (which I think will be available on Wii U since it's based on the Frostbite engine, same engine as Mass Effect 3), and Assassin's Creed 4 will sell decently well on Wii U, enough to justify designing games compatible with Wii U.

That said, there will be a lot of MP games not released on Wii U (e.g. FPS's like Destiny and Battlefield 4), but then again, are these the people we consider "core gamers?"

With regards to the thread at hand, Wii U is not a compeditor to the PS4/Nextbox, it's its own thing, but it will get a lot more 3rd party support then the Wii did. Like I said, I think Wii U will do better in Japan, PS4 will do better in Eu, and 720 will do better in USA. Overall, I dunno how it will go, but we will see games representative of each region become more common on said devices.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 April 2013
Zero999 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Zero999 said:
drkohler said:
Zero999 said:

Hello everyone, first post here. I felt the need to write here because of all the nonsense some posts have. Here are my full opinions on wii u situation.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should not start your first post with a second sentence, and then do just that for the rest of the post.

Look, it is very simple. performance comes with a price, and the price for computers is power input. You want twice the performance, it costs you twice the power. That's just the way it is. The WiiU uses rouhly 35Watts, entire system. Both NextBox and PS4 are probably around 150W (or even more), with more modern components. So any "WiU is similar to NextConsoles" is wishful thinking. The difference WILL be noticable with the very first NextGen console games. I'd go as far as predict a horrible death to the WiiU console beginning next year. Nintendo had the advantage of the Wii inpit device against PS360, they have nothing (except lowering price way down) now against NextGen consoles.

amazing, because the ps3 fat uses like 160 watts, so by your logic wii u has less than half the specs of a ps3.there's something called efficiency, wii u does much more than ps360 with less power usage because it's efficient modern tech enables it. do yourself a favor and don't waste others time with this s**t.

haters try everything to put wii u down.conveniently this watt thing started when wii u watt usage was revealed, we even made a joke in brazil foruns over here, saying things like "wii u will have nintendo games in hd and 70 watts" or "my electric shower consumes 300 watts, so it should play the agnil's philosofy demo.

i wonder what the next excuse will be. the console size? the console heat?

The issues the Wii U is having is a tech issue and nothing more. Wattage has absolutely nothing to do with it. Third party devs need powerful hardware that is a jump from last gen and the Wii U is on par with last gen. They cannot realize their goals for next gen with the Wii U's tech, plain and simple. People can defend Nintendo all they want but we're talking tech here not the fact that this is a new Nintendo console. Nintendo will get its own games and they will mostly be exclusive. A lot of people will most likely enjoy them regardless of the ignorance. I will have a Wii U as well but I want a next gen console first before I get a Nintendo console for its exclusives.


you say that based on nothing but hate over nintendo, and as I stated before, repeating that won't magically make it true.


Almost every article on the Wii U's specs has stated that the Wii U is slightly more powerful than the current gen and not a jump into the next gen techonlogically. You cannot be blind man. EA even said its not next gen, because specs-wise it isnt. We all know its Nintendo has its own gen but thats the reason Nintendo never gets anything because they selfishly build their products.