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UltimateUnknown said:
The whole Ferrari argument will work if Sony does indeed release the PS4 at a $500 price tag, in which case it may be another disastrous launch like the PS3. I'm going to give Sony the benefit of the doubt and say they learned from their mistake. So I'm imagining they might sell the PS4 at $400. If that is the case and we are looking at it from purely a hardware perspective and nothing else, then it doesn't make sense for a consumer to go out and buy a Wii U over the PS4 with only a $50-100 price tag difference when you can get a console that is significantly more powerful than the other.

But of course that is a very truncated version of the whole story. No one buys a console simply to boast about how powerful it is. Really the final point is the games and the support each machine will get in terms of games and other services will decide how well they sell at the end. In that sense Nintendo has a chance, but 3rd party games does not look to be fully on their side as of yet whether or not the Wii U can handle it, and after the PS4/720 releases, it may only get worse. Time will tell.


screw Sony loosing money on every console then! how are they going to make money to develop more games? from thin air?



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it would not hurt to shake up the management and ceo position, they need some new blood in there.



 

Otakumegane said:
Nintendo on its own must realize that they will always be screwed by 3rd parties and instead start marketing more of their smaller 1st parties that isn't Mario and start expanding the crap out.

God, this, a hundred times this. Nintendo will never ever -EVER- be supported by 3rd parties in any big significant way. The sooner they start realizing this, the better. I wish they'd invest in some other franchises besides Mario. This year alone, we're getting (likely) a 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Mario & Donkey Kong, Mario & Luigi, and Mario Golf.

And that's not even counting stuff like Luigi's Mansion 2 and that NSMBU Luigi DLC. Oh yeah, and Japan's getting Mario Kart Arcade GP DX this year, too.

Also, late last year they put out New Super Mario Bros. U and Paper Mario, plus e-shop stuff like Super Mario Bros. the Lost Levels, Mario Golf and Dr. Mario.

How about some diversity in the form of different IPs? Instead of diversity within the Mario franchise? X'(

Invest a bit in new, promising studios, and help them turn into successful developers. They did it before, and they seem to be in need of more studios and games to sustain themselves now more than ever, as it's clear 3rd parties don't give a flying fart.



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cbarroso09 said:
UltimateUnknown said:
The whole Ferrari argument will work if Sony does indeed release the PS4 at a $500 price tag, in which case it may be another disastrous launch like the PS3. I'm going to give Sony the benefit of the doubt and say they learned from their mistake. So I'm imagining they might sell the PS4 at $400. If that is the case and we are looking at it from purely a hardware perspective and nothing else, then it doesn't make sense for a consumer to go out and buy a Wii U over the PS4 with only a $50-100 price tag difference when you can get a console that is significantly more powerful than the other.

But of course that is a very truncated version of the whole story. No one buys a console simply to boast about how powerful it is. Really the final point is the games and the support each machine will get in terms of games and other services will decide how well they sell at the end. In that sense Nintendo has a chance, but 3rd party games does not look to be fully on their side as of yet whether or not the Wii U can handle it, and after the PS4/720 releases, it may only get worse. Time will tell.


screw Sony loosing money on every console then! how are they going to make money to develop more games? from thin air?

Intially selling the console at a loss (1st year or two after which is tends to even out or become slightly profitable) to build a sizeable install base so that they can get increased software sales, leading to getting more money from royalties of 3rd party sales. And on top of that, 1st party sales.



 

cbarroso09 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Really...you guys need to start blaming Nintendo and not third parties. Third parties are giving Nintendo games for now but once this gen is over Nintendo well be left out to dry. Nintendo does their own thing and expects third party to follow suit and that is just arrogance.


what companies are setting the rules for the 8th gen? it is not Nintnedo, Sony nor Microsoft, the big arrogant publishers and engine developers are. Those companies don't care about the big three, if they loose money selling their overpowerful consoles (assuming Nintendo does). They just want to make mowny no matter what, but when Nintendo put a stop on it saying: "hey that is not good for our only game bussiness" then Nintendo is arrogant. 

No way, i don't agree with you on that. 


Third parties have become more powerful and have come into their own over the years. They call the shots  now because third parties are the biggest draw for consoles. Look at the Xbox 360 and what third parties did for it and even Sony. He who has the support of the third parties gains the strongest and most loyal following. When Nintendo was on top they never had the best relationship with third parties. They still have not changed their way of business in which they come first and third parties come second. Nintendo refuses to just co-exist with third parties therefore they get into situations where they just get what they get. Devs (especially Ives at Ubisoft) were calling to console makers to launch next gen consoles but the only ones meeting the specs third parties have set seems to be Sony and Microsoft. Epic themselves even said you will need 8GB of ram and responded happily hearing that Sony followed suit.

Third parties make their own games regardless of what platform they are putting it on these days because multiplat seems to be the way to go, but they want to push what they can do. If Nintendo doesn't meet the requirements why should anyone feel bad? Nintendo needs to learn to co-exist.

When the media jumped down Reggies throat on the news (CNN I believe) Reggie told them not jump the gun on the tech assuming Sony and Microsoft would have tech similar to theirs. It turns out Reggie was so wrong and now the Wii U is a non-factor when it comes to pushing tech. They will get exclusives but if you want to see a truly immersive worlds taking proper advantage of next gen engines look no further than PC/PS4/720. The Wii U wont be the one....that might be a hard pill to swallow but what can I say other than it is what it is.



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Otakumegane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Really...you guys need to start blaming Nintendo and not third parties. Third parties are giving Nintendo games for now but once this gen is over Nintendo well be left out to dry. Nintendo does their own thing and expects third party to follow suit and that is just arrogance.


We are blaming Nintendo. 


If you're saying third parties are screwing them, you're not putting the blame where it belongs. If Nintendo met next gen specs devs had set they would never have been left out. I am willing to bet with you right now that even Ubisoft will leave them out of some truly immersive and powerful games not possible on the Wii U because of it being underpowered.



While there will always be a segment that clammers for more power and better graphics it's a well established fact that the most powerful console had never won a generation. PS2 was least powerful as was Wii.

The problem with the WiiU isn't that it lacks power, it's that it lacks BOTH power and a compelling 'hook'. The gamepad simply isn't enciting to anyone(generalized statement, I don't care if someone here finds it enticing), yet it adds $100 to the cost of a WiiU. If no one cares to buy a WiiU because of the gamepad, then the next selling points are the graphics/power and games - which (currently) it lacks in both. That is a recipe for disaster.



 

Gamerace said:
While there will always be a segment that clammers for more power and better graphics it's a well established fact that the most powerful console had never won a generation. PS2 was least powerful as was Wii.

The problem with the WiiU isn't that it lacks power, it's that it lacks BOTH power and a compelling 'hook'. The gamepad simply isn't enciting to anyone(generalized statement, I don't care if someone here finds it enticing), yet it adds $100 to the cost of a WiiU. If no one cares to buy a WiiU because of the gamepad, then the next selling points are the graphics/power and games - which (currently) it lacks in both. That is a recipe for disaster.


Its not particularly about who has the weakest console that wins the gen, but mostly the best product for the price that offers something new and that has the most third party support. The most important factor of the best selling consoles is based on who has the best third party support and the PS and PS2 had it. The Xbox 360 showed they were the more affordable console offering the same third party games as Sony. Nintendo had the best third party support because they had third parties under lockdown with not much room to breathe during the NES and SNES era. Microsoft kept eating away at Sonys third party exclusive lineup that no one expected them to ever touch. Nintendo fought for third party support, but only strong enough to get current (and soon to be last) gen support.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Otakumegane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Really...you guys need to start blaming Nintendo and not third parties. Third parties are giving Nintendo games for now but once this gen is over Nintendo well be left out to dry. Nintendo does their own thing and expects third party to follow suit and that is just arrogance.


We are blaming Nintendo. 


If you're saying third parties are screwing them, you're not putting the blame where it belongs. If Nintendo met next gen specs devs had set they would never have been left out. I am willing to bet with you right now that even Ubisoft will leave them out of some truly immersive and powerful games not possible on the Wii U because of it being underpowered.


Even if we had hardware similar, they would find an excuse. 3rd party support wasn't on GC either. WiiU with better specs would just recieved "We can't use the gamepad like Nintendo can" excuse. Or the "our audience not on Nintendo consoles"



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Otakumegane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Otakumegane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Really...you guys need to start blaming Nintendo and not third parties. Third parties are giving Nintendo games for now but once this gen is over Nintendo well be left out to dry. Nintendo does their own thing and expects third party to follow suit and that is just arrogance.


We are blaming Nintendo. 


If you're saying third parties are screwing them, you're not putting the blame where it belongs. If Nintendo met next gen specs devs had set they would never have been left out. I am willing to bet with you right now that even Ubisoft will leave them out of some truly immersive and powerful games not possible on the Wii U because of it being underpowered.


Even if we had hardware similar, they would find an excuse. 3rd party support wasn't on GC either. WiiU with better specs would just recieved "We can't use the gamepad like Nintendo can" excuse. Or the "our audience not on Nintendo consoles"

If that were true they should've found an excuse for current gen games as well. The Wii U got better third party multiplat support than the Wii did and thats undisputed from many and recieved good press for Nintendo making great strides to gain third party support. The problem exists with Nintendo and theres no way around it at this point.