Not to derail thread but is he perma banned or something? I entered his "MS should quit gaming" thread and saw he was banned so I tried to look and see what got him banned and I can't view his posts or profile.

Oh so that is why we haven't seen 20 threads about why Xbox sucks today.  I'm sure he will make a reutrn with twice as many Xbox doom threads.

His profile i guess is only for friends to view so I would like to know why he was banned as well, although I think i have an idea why.

Sounds good. It makes sense too. I am looking forward to the reveal of it now.

But if the 360 mini has no disc drive how will it play 360 retail games or will they offer everything for download ?

Are you talking about storage space or memory(RAM)? The Apple TV is a set top box and it includes no storage (HDD) as it only does streaming. It also doesn't have very much memory(RAM) as it uses a single core A5 SOC (iPhone 4S has a dual core A5) which only has 512MB RAM.

http://www.apple.com/appletv/

The xBox Mini sounds like a media/ game extender.  It would be interesting if the Mini would be MS entry to something like Uverse but for gaming.  Purchase a cheap media/game extender that can play games and stream content alone (xBox MINI).  Purchase a Durango console and now you can stream your Durango games or 360 games to the xBox Mini.  Sort of what the Steambox is rumored to be able to do for PC games.  Have Durango be able to stream PC games from your windows 8 machine and MS probably would get me to purchase Windows 8, Durango and 2 Minis.  

Now if MS executed something like that, I would probably say the would sell a lot of hardware.

The 56-page document leak that was rumored to be of 2010 and that already said that there will be two xboxes. It doesn't mention that they are going to be connected but it sounds reasonable to suggest that MS had plans to do this from beginning. The whole current leak makes a lot more sense considering the old document from MS.

Also, patenting is not inventing. And of course Sony could do this but they decided to use Gaikai when it's ready.

So let me get this straight...

Xbox360 Mini or Mini60
- Can play 360 games on demand
- Can play Arcade and Indy 360 games
- Will require an internet connection to stream TV content (of course)
- Will provide a way for Durango to play retail 360 games
- Is much like a 360 but with no Disc Drive
- Will cost between 99$ and 150$
- Target audience is non hardcore gamers and non gamers
- Will play Kinect games

Durango
- Is the new Xbox with next gen hardware
- Can do whatever the Mini60 can
- Will need Mini60 to play retail 360 games
- Will cost between 400$ and 500$
- Target audience is both hardcore and non hardcore gamers

Question
- will Durango play Arcade, Indy and 360 games on demand without Mini60?
- Will Mini60 come with Kinect? (Though I think it'll cost 99$ w/o Kinect and 149.99$ wKinect)
- Will Mini60 play new Kinect 2 Arcade games
- Will Illumiroom be compatible with Mini60

- will Durango play Arcade, Indy and 360 games on demand without Mini60

no.

- Will Mini60 come with Kinect? (Though I think it'll cost 99$ w/o Kinect and 149.99$ wKinect)

leak says nothing about it (probably not - kinect2 will be like kinect, just better)

- Will Mini60 play new Kinect 2 Arcade games

how would we know? but i doubt it. mini60 is mini60 and nothing more. it's most probably not upwards compatible (despite being able to connect to durango).

- Will Illumiroom be compatible with Mini60

look, we have another leak here by vgleaks. almost all of your questions can't be answered because the leak doesn't say anything to it. how would we know better than vgleaks? do we even know illumiroom will arrive at launch? no. 

Just wait for the official announcement.

Thanks for trying to answer but those are questions I ask myself and am waiting for answers from MS (eventhough all of this is just a rumor). 

I also wonder if Mini60 will be able to play Durango games through the clouds with a system like Gaikai. This would be great and I would understand that you'd need an always on connection to play your games and it would also prevent used games.

Durango could also play 360 games through that same service and again require an always on connection to play these games. This way both would play both library but in different ways at different prices.

I doubt we will see a good working streaming service in the next 3 years. It is very cost-intensive and relies on a very good internet connection (especially a very good latency). Always-online-requirement is only true for mini60, Durango can still be operated offline. mini60 has to because otherwise you can't play with it (well, you can, but only with Durango).