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Mr Puggsly on 11 April 2013
KylieDog said:
Otakumegane said:
No, I think we need a way for Western gaming presence to bloom. Japan only consoles is dull and boring.

Part of the reason why shooters and WRPGs became so successful this gen was because of the success of the 360.


The popularity of shooters is due to online MP, and WRPGs aren't anymore popular than before.

There was online MP last gen as well, but MS made online gaming more mainstream with the 360.

Before the 360, WRPGs were primarily a popular PC genre. But now they've become a very popular console genre. All those sales combined tells me the genre has become more popular.



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walsufnir on 11 April 2013
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:
Otakumegane said:
No, I think we need a way for Western gaming presence to bloom. Japan only consoles is dull and boring.

Part of the reason why shooters and WRPGs became so successful this gen was because of the success of the 360.


The popularity of shooters is due to online MP, and WRPGs aren't anymore popular than before.

There was online MP last gen as well, but MS made online gaming more mainstream with the 360.

Before the 360, WRPGs were primarily a popular PC genre. But now they've become a very popular console genre. All those sales combined tells me the genre has become more popular.

There is nothing 360 has done for online MP PS3 also has not done.

As for WRPGs, anything worth mentioning is on PS3 also, so again, nothing to praise 360 alone for.


So the whole online gaming experience we have now would be exact the same without 360?



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walsufnir on 11 April 2013
KylieDog said:
walsufnir said:
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:
Otakumegane said:
No, I think we need a way for Western gaming presence to bloom. Japan only consoles is dull and boring.

Part of the reason why shooters and WRPGs became so successful this gen was because of the success of the 360.


The popularity of shooters is due to online MP, and WRPGs aren't anymore popular than before.

There was online MP last gen as well, but MS made online gaming more mainstream with the 360.

Before the 360, WRPGs were primarily a popular PC genre. But now they've become a very popular console genre. All those sales combined tells me the genre has become more popular.

There is nothing 360 has done for online MP PS3 also has not done.

As for WRPGs, anything worth mentioning is on PS3 also, so again, nothing to praise 360 alone for.


So the whole online gaming experience we have now would be exact the same without 360?


You're changing argument.

I only asked a question and you are free to not answer which you did. Everything fine ;)



Lyrikalstylez on 11 April 2013
slowmo said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
True points OP but why isnt this thread locked? its a blatant attack


We only lock positive MS news


thats what I first thought but I didnt want to say anything cause I would probaably get bann'd again !



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Mr Puggsly on 11 April 2013
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:
Otakumegane said:
No, I think we need a way for Western gaming presence to bloom. Japan only consoles is dull and boring.

Part of the reason why shooters and WRPGs became so successful this gen was because of the success of the 360.


The popularity of shooters is due to online MP, and WRPGs aren't anymore popular than before.

There was online MP last gen as well, but MS made online gaming more mainstream with the 360.

Before the 360, WRPGs were primarily a popular PC genre. But now they've become a very popular console genre. All those sales combined tells me the genre has become more popular.


For the best part of last gen peoples net speeds were shit, the number of people who owned consoles able to go online was small (the original PS2 needed an adaptor, Xbox had low sales and even its online wasn't good for a long while, no Halo 1 MP etc).  This gen every console is very easy to play online with, there is a large userbase for both 360 and PS3, net speeds have skyrocketed since mid 2000s.

There is nothing 360 has done for online MP PS3 also has not done.

As for WRPGs, anything worth mentioning is on PS3 also, so again, nothing to praise 360 alone for.

When the PS2 and original Xbox launched broadband connections were just becoming standard. It wasn't until about 2003/2004 that noteworthy online capable shooters came to consoles. The original Xbox had low sales but shooting fans flocked to it. Lets remember Halo 2 (a popular online game) was the best selling shooter on a single platform and the 2nd best selling shooter of the 6th gen.

You don't need a superfast connection to play online games. I was playing Dreamcast online with a 56K modem. In the early 2000s I was playing PC games online with 30KB broadband connection.

Xbox and Xbox 360 made online gaming on consoles more mainstream. This isn't up for debate, this is just a fact.

You said, "WRPGs aren't anymore popular than before." But its clear they have become more popular on consoles this gen. I didn't say the 360 deserves all the praise for this. But the 360 had noteworthy WRPGs well before the PS3 because MS pushed that genre on consoles. In fact, MS was pushing WRPGs on consoles last gen as well.



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Jereel Hunter on 11 April 2013
mutantclown said:

2. And Nintendo would have said No, too? nonsense. 

3. That's a 2008 article. The PS2 kept selling many more millions, and the PS3 became profitable. Again, poor sources, sorry, but that's total BS. Again, why don't we have a 720 already? according to your logic we should have it by now just like the PS3 came when the PS2 was in "pure profit region". You're just backtracking here, sorry, but it's also total BS.

4. I don't care about who loves Kinect, my point is not an opinion, it's a fact very evident in the kind of shovelware it supports.

2. The Wii and the PS3 aren't in the same league. Without MS, Sony wouldn't have needed to match the Wii. Netflix is a great feature, but it hardly makes the Wii a media box. Sony would NOT have to follow suit to compete with it.

3. Yes, it's a 2008 article, and the PS3 was $3 Billion in the hole. Sony's financials are available to look at publicly - The entire division the PS3 is part of hasn't made $3 Billion in profit since 2008, let alone the PS3. It's not poor sources, you have google. Look up anything you want - what I stated is well known FACT. You can even look at past threads here - noone that knows anything about the financials of the gaming industry thinks the PS3 is a long term financial success.

And let me break down what I said, and make it a little simpler - Neither company wanted to be the first to release the next console early in the generation. Both Sony and MS intended to win the generation, both in sales and profit, and thus stated their machine would have the longest lifespan, and that the OTHER would release their next system first. In the end though, Sony preferred to have the advantage of releasing their next system first.

And clearly this situation is different for Microsoft than the PS3 was in PS2 days. Sony was forced to release their PS3 - the 360 had already been out for months and sold millions of copies. The PS2 was in a very profitable place, but their competitor was gobbling up the "next gen" marketshare and mindshare. They couldn't afford to release later than they did.

4. Every platform "supports" shovelware. There's shovelware for the move, for the Wii, on PSN, on XBLA. It seems to cluster any games that target young kids along with that though, because there are some solid, fun kinect games that kids love. It may not have any valid harcore implications at present, but that doesn't mean it's incapable of delivering a quality product for it's target audience.



Jereel Hunter on 11 April 2013
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:
Otakumegane said:
No, I think we need a way for Western gaming presence to bloom. Japan only consoles is dull and boring.

Part of the reason why shooters and WRPGs became so successful this gen was because of the success of the 360.


The popularity of shooters is due to online MP, and WRPGs aren't anymore popular than before.

There was online MP last gen as well, but MS made online gaming more mainstream with the 360.

Before the 360, WRPGs were primarily a popular PC genre. But now they've become a very popular console genre. All those sales combined tells me the genre has become more popular.

For the best part of last gen peoples net speeds were shit, the number of people who owned consoles able to go online was small (the original PS2 needed an adaptor, Xbox had low sales and even its online wasn't good for a long while, no Halo 1 MP etc).  This gen every console is very easy to play online with, there is a large userbase for both 360 and PS3, net speeds have skyrocketed since mid 2000s.

There is nothing 360 has done for online MP PS3 also has not done.

As for WRPGs, anything worth mentioning is on PS3 also, so again, nothing to praise 360 alone for.

People having poor net speeds made sony largely ignore online MP. MS on the other hand saw that it was the future, and built Xbox Live. Xbox's low sales didn't stop me, and millions of others from playing Halo 2 online at a time when it was the purview of only PC gamers. (Also, the lower average latency of console online gaming was a HUGE bonus back in the days of lesser internet connections)

PSN is what it is today because Xbox live forged ahead, and it was forced to follow suit. You can't give PS3 credit for doing the same things a few years later, in trying to catch up.

Ditto for WRPGs. When the first Mass Effect came out, and really showed a lot of people what WRPGs were capable of, it was an Xbox exclusive. It took years for the ME franchise to make it to the PS3.



sales2099 on 11 April 2013
halil23 said:
Truth be told, m$ shouldn't enter the gaming biz, open minded gamers would agree that m$ is a plague to the gaming industry! (please use your common sense to know why)

And I blame Sega for that!!

Pure, unfiltered, Sony propaganda.

Says your open minded.......yet wont give MS a try. Huh.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Kynes on 11 April 2013
halil23 said:
Truth be told, m$ shouldn't enter the gaming biz, open minded gamers would agree that m$ is a plague to the gaming industry! (please use your common sense to know why)

And I blame Sega for that!!


I hope this bullshit gets moderated.