So where am I wrong?


 30 March 2013:

http://nintendoeverything.com/117462/a-breakdown-of-retro-city-rampages-sales/

Of course, it’s important to note that it’s not necessarily fair to directly compare the XBLA release of Retro City Rampage to its counterparts on other platforms. After all, the PSN and Steam versions of the game released in October 2012, well in advance of the XBLA port, providing ample time to establish a commanding sales lead. On top of this, Retro City Rampage included a Vita/PS3 cross-play incentive, and it was part of a PSN+ promotion. Finally, it was also published by Sony on PSN and, therefore, received much more promotion on that platform than on XBLA, where it was published by D3.

http://www.xblafans.com/retro-city-rampage-dev-labels-xbla-a-learning-experience-64324.html

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Clarification: Those sales numbers per platform circulating are not accurate, extrapolated from a bar graph that didn't show to-the-digit."

Regardless, where am I wrong?  He was much happier with his experiences elsewhere, that much is clear.  He made a LOT more money elsewhere, and the XBLA version cost more than all other versions combined.  Microsoft's silly publishing rules probably had something to do with that, which itself is part of the problem.  Just look at the stupid Machinarium situation.

I don't understand why people are in such a rush to fall over themselves denying what these developers are saying.  Is it's that hard to accept that Microsoft has lost a lot of ground in this area?  Why the head in the sand routine?

You seem big on this RCR thing but I guess I missed the part on how much money was made.  Can you provide a source on the revenue created on PC-PSN-Live? it would be interesting to see just how much money we are talking about here because every article I read on the indie market pretty much somes up that there really isn't a lot of money in Indie.  Which takes me back to my originial point about how MS seems to have put together a a more controlled system that actually allows some developers to make money.  There is a good article by one of the developers of DigitalDNA that breaks down some of the realities of working on XBOX live and in the indie market in general. 

Asking me to sight success stories of Xbox indie games is pretty silly considering its literally a google away, and so are ones for sony so please don't say this isn't going anywhere.  My point was xbox live has been more succesful with Indie games than Sony and I don't think anyone questions that, will the future change that and what will be the definition for Success-  is it volume of games sold, or profits made?  I lean towards the latter myself.

In other words, you have nothing but "everyone knows".  Amusing, and good to know.

This is not the only article I have seen with the same message.  From Penny Arcade:

"It's possible Microsoft will soon make similar moves, but for now the feeling seems to be that Microsoft is acting like a dinosaur, watching all these small animals with fur wandering around the countryside, hoping that they won't go extinct."

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/tales-from-the-trenches-how-microsoft-is-losing-the-battle-for-indie-develo

I hope the PS4 replicates a PS1 level of success, becoming a new industry standard that will result in a hell lot of new franchises

I am glad they are looking at it that way, because it was a huge mistake the way the launched on the Wii.

-Oct 2012: PC (direct from developer/Steam/GOG), PS3, Vita

-Jan 2013: 360

-Feb 2013: Wii

It was way late, and the Wii U had already been out for over 3 months.  For their sake, I wish they would have released on the Wii U instead of the Wii.

From the rumors, MS will be going the whole MS store route just like they have now with windows 8 and windows phone. This will allow Indies to bring their games to MS console without going through the whole Publisher route. The reason for MS to go this route is because its successful for IOS and android devices as well as Steam. This will not be a direct respond to Sony but instead of where the industry is going.

I'm gonna get flak for this, but by and large, Indie games are garbage.

You do get some good ones like World of Goo, but most of them are shallow, pretentious wanks that try to use unusual visual styles (often just crappy visuals passed off as "retro") to dress up shallow, one-trick-pony gameplay.

I personally wouldn't care if the consoles I buy get little to no Indie support.

I do remember a MS spokesperson stating that they need to soften their approach to indie developers. One of the biggest issues I have heard from developers about XBLA is the whole certification and publishers model including charging developers 10 grand for any update to their games. You can understand that MS does not want a system where games are constantly being updated sort of like IOS and Android apps. MS has always aggressively gone after indie developers and their game if it brings something unique to their console and they still do it now. The problem is their structure just isn't flexible for today's market and so change is needed.