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SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
SENTIENT6 said:
walsufnir said:
Besides that he said something against Sony and getting the full force against him (he founded Atari where almost all in this thread hating about him weren't even born...) he also said that MS' dev-tools are extremely good (and always were) which is what I keep telling for days now but some users just want to except. I definitely see a small advantage for MS in this case, too. Sony can buy "knowledge" in this area but MS already has the required knowledge.

Yet despite ps3 being a nightmare sony still consitently put out more software over the years, what does that say about MS? Now with SOny have vastly better tool kits and hardware and easier to code for, no price or head start he thinks MS can take PLaystation WW? Not going to happen unless something disastrous happens. 

 

Being in the industry  at one point years ago doesn't mean squat it making predictions, the so called experts are wrong moe then they are right.

Sony improved their dev-kits, yes. Seems to be no win if you take that they were not good before. The rest is arguable but I think it's useless until both companies show what the consoles really will be. Until then repeating opinions doesn't make them facts (MS no headstart, for example). And really: Would you have less fun with PS4 if NextBox would sell more units than PS4?

Edit: Nice that you mention "more" software, as if this would be of any use in terms of quality...

The fact that a 1.5 year head start in Sonys strongest territoery and 1 year elsewhere was not a factr is not argueable, nor is the 600 dollar proce. MS had a big advantage for first 3 years yet sony still has consistently outsold mS, that advantage is gone this gen.


Yes, read it like thousand times here. When we learned one thing from past is that with every generation the game begins again. PS2 easily could outperform Dreamcast although it was late and this gen they didn't overtake Wii (and possibly won't ever) and 360, by vgc-numbers, hasn't. Yes, there is undertracking, but this applies to both consoles. This happened after the PS2-domination, yes. I see where this is getting: off-topic, derailing, useless. Discussing about the future of nextgen by now *is* useless until we know what Sony and MS are offering us.

Just be happy that there is actual competition this gen and hope for big competition next gen as this is the best for gamers.



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ironmanDX said:
He seems confident in M$' abilities and well, so am I. People above are calling him stupid, how so? He made an estimation, that does not make someone stupid. If it did, well, we're all stupid. We've all made estimations at least once in our lives, CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!

He is the founder of Atari, he understand how this business works, a lot better than you or I probably ever will. Keep your online ego in check and read what he has to say then consider it. OMFG ThIS GUY IS DUMB comments only makes you look that way. He's been in the business before I was born, likely most of us actually. Ohter people have said PS4 will outsell the 720, on this site and professionals I'm more than sure of it, don't see me talking shit.

So yeah, chill out. It's not like he is telling it as if it's going to be set in stone.



"CHILL THE FUCK OUT!" So ironic, lol.



I agree.

 The PS4 devkit uses the Microsoft Visual Studio with a API "wrapper" that translate the code created in DirectX and OpenGL to PSLS... so you just need to create the game like you do for PC using DirectX.

So the Visual Studio documentation is in Japonese and the tools is harder to use... hooooo wait.

What I did here?



ethomaz said:
I agree.

The PS3 devkit uses the Microsoft Visual Studio with a API "wrapper" that translate the code created in DirectX and OpenGL to PSLS... so you just need to create the game like you do for PC using DirectX.

So the Visual Studio documentation is in Japonese and the tools is harder to use... hooooo wait.

What I did here?

Wait: PS3-devkits uses Visual Studio? You mean PS4, don't you? By now,  you did "confusing yourself" :D But even with PS4, you seem to not get what he said. But don't care about it, finally Sony delivers a good dev-platform!



superchunk said:

He does realize that the PS4 is the first PlayStation to literally be a PC with many standard engines and tools, right?

So basically doing what MS has done for 12 years?



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walsufnir said:
ethomaz said:
I agree.

The PS3 devkit uses the Microsoft Visual Studio with a API "wrapper" that translate the code created in DirectX and OpenGL to PSLS... so you just need to create the game like you do for PC using DirectX.

So the Visual Studio documentation is in Japonese and the tools is harder to use... hooooo wait.

What I did here?

Wait: PS3-devkits uses Visual Studio? You mean PS4, don't you? By now,  you did "confusing yourself" :D But even with PS4, you seem to not get what he said. But don't care about it, finally Sony delivers a good dev-platform!

Fixed... year PS4 can use Visual Studio with DirectX and OpenGL using the API "wrapper".



Lafiel said:
ironmanDX said:
He seems confident in M$' abilities and well, so am I. People above are calling him stupid, how so? He made an estimation, that does not make someone stupid. If it did, well, we're all stupid. We've all made estimations at least once in our lives, CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!

He is the founder of Atari, he understand how this business works, a lot better than you or I probably ever will. Keep your online ego in check and read what he has to say then consider it. OMFG ThIS GUY IS DUMB comments only makes you look that way. He's been in the business before I was born, likely most of us actually. Ohter people have said PS4 will outsell the 720, on this site and professionals I'm more than sure of it, don't see me talking shit.

So yeah, chill out. It's not like he is telling it as if it's going to be set in stone.

does he ? he left Atari in 1978, then managed a Pizza company, then had several tech companies which made househould robots and touchscreen arcades (ah yea, all of these firms died) and then rejoined "Atari, SA" (it was only Atari in name by then) in 2010, which went bankrupt in 2013

By "manage a pizza company", do you mean founded Chuck E Cheese, which is still around today?  Making Bushnell out to be an idiot or more knowledgable in Pachter in regards to the current videogames industry state and predicting its future (call his predictions "fact") are WAY out of base.  It is entirely possible to know he is a genius, but out of touch with the current era to.  This era is one no one can accurately predict.  Cliffy B is out for a reason, because it is so risky and dangerous.



I don't like how he says xbox 720 will be the dominant console next gen and beat PS3. He has wrongly disregarded the Wii U, just becasue it's not selling like hot cakes just now doesn't mean it will have no chance of keeping up with other formats. Sure there's lots of buzz around the new systems, but that's what it was like before the Wii U launched and look what happened. I personally believe the next gen will be neck and neck and only fanboys claiming their system has won from any small difference in units sold over another system.



sales2099 said:
superchunk said:

He does realize that the PS4 is the first PlayStation to literally be a PC with many standard engines and tools, right?

So basically doing what MS has done for 12 years?





sales2099 said:
superchunk said:

He does realize that the PS4 is the first PlayStation to literally be a PC with many standard engines and tools, right?

So basically doing what MS has done for 12 years?


Yet they still cannot outsell Sony.