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the_dengle on 01 April 2013

Take it away, Yahtzee!



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zorg1000 on 01 April 2013
Osc89 said:
Th3PANO said:
don't try to compare this to the gamecube days. first of all. they competed against  the highest selling (till 2012) consol, the ps2. they had a new rivale, the xbox. the console design and controller design was also not very appealing to many people. their games of their franchises were all new tries (sunshine, starfox adventures, metroid prime, wind waker, double dash, luigi's mansion, eternal darkness, etc.). these games were all good but many didnt like it cause they expected something different after the n64 era.


Surely it is worse right now? I mean they are doing pretty badly with no competition at all, won't it be more difficult when the other consoles come out?

they do have competition tho, PS3/360 have huge libraries of games and cost $200-300 while Wii U had a terrible post launch drought and is $300-350 (nintendo has never been more expensive than the comp). By the end of the year Wii U will have a nice lineup of NSMBU, Nintendo Land, Monster Hunter 3, Lego City, ZombiU, Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, likely 3D Mario and Mario Kart, plus it might get a price cut and with holiday deals its possible that you can find one for $200 this christmas. The PS4/next Xbox will have just as much trouble, they will likely cost $400+ and the majority of there games will be available on there predeccesors. People seem to forget that close to half of PS360 owners bought there console in 2010 or later, those people likely wont upgrade for a few years.



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Otakumegane on 01 April 2013
Soriku said:
spurgeonryan said:
Yes. But if Nintendo turns the WiiU around this coming Holiday, the PS4 is gong to have a hard time.


Why?

Let's wait for the price annoucements before making any assumptions shall we?



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Osc89 on 01 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
they do have competition tho, PS3/360 have huge libraries of games and cost $200-300 while Wii U had a terrible post launch drought and is $300-350 (nintendo has never been more expensive than the comp). By the end of the year Wii U will have a nice lineup of NSMBU, Nintendo Land, Monster Hunter 3, Lego City, ZombiU, Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, likely 3D Mario and Mario Kart, plus it might get a price cut and with holiday deals its possible that you can find one for $200 this christmas. The PS4/next Xbox will have just as much trouble, they will likely cost $400+ and the majority of there games will be available on there predeccesors. People seem to forget that close to half of PS360 owners bought there console in 2010 or later, those people likely wont upgrade for a few years. 


Do they really want to position themselves against PS360 though? All the advantages you say the Wii U will have at Christmas would be trumped; they'll have more games and be cheaper.



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PureDante on 01 April 2013
9087 said:
I truly think Nintendo is in serious danger this generation.

Wii U looks like another GameCube type of system IMO.


Same thoughts here. Once UE4 is shown in actual games, Nintendo will have to start thinking of a new peripheral based console.



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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zorg1000 on 01 April 2013
Osc89 said:
zorg1000 said:
they do have competition tho, PS3/360 have huge libraries of games and cost $200-300 while Wii U had a terrible post launch drought and is $300-350 (nintendo has never been more expensive than the comp). By the end of the year Wii U will have a nice lineup of NSMBU, Nintendo Land, Monster Hunter 3, Lego City, ZombiU, Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, likely 3D Mario and Mario Kart, plus it might get a price cut and with holiday deals its possible that you can find one for $200 this christmas. The PS4/next Xbox will have just as much trouble, they will likely cost $400+ and the majority of there games will be available on there predeccesors. People seem to forget that close to half of PS360 owners bought there console in 2010 or later, those people likely wont upgrade for a few years. 


Do they really want to position themselves against PS360 though? All the advantages you say the Wii U will have at Christmas would be trumped; they'll have more games and be cheaper.

A $200-250 console with the line up i listed will sell well during christmas, PS360 might not even do a price cut this year to help offset losses for PS4/nextbox so they could be the same price this holiday. In 2014 Wii U will keep getting games that you cant get on other consoles like Smash Bros, X, Yoshi, FE x SMT, Retro's game(likely metroid), Bayonetta 2, while PS3/360/PS4/nextbox will still have most of the same games as each other.



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snowdog on 01 April 2013
Soriku said:
spurgeonryan said:
Yes. But if Nintendo turns the WiiU around this coming Holiday, the PS4 is gong to have a hard time.


Why?



Because Sony have made the daft decision to include 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU pushing 1.8TFlops inside their console. There's no way in hell that it's going to retail for less than 400 dollars despite Sony's latest fundraising efforts.

I can see both the PS4 and 720 selling worse than the Wii U.



RedInker on 01 April 2013

This will not be the last nintendo console. The next console will not be their last either.



zippy on 01 April 2013

In the article the writer states "no doubt Nintendo will still be profitable with Wii U, but is it worth R & D costs for another console"
Hell yes its worth it, youve answered you own question, as long as Nintendo are making money they will make consoles.
Also regarding the launch ports like Batman,Ass Creed 3 etc and their sales.Why were people expecting them to sell gangbusters with a small launch install base, 3 million Wii U owners v 140 million PS360 owners that likely already have those games.



zippy on 02 April 2013
Soriku said:
snowdog said:
Soriku said:
spurgeonryan said:
Yes. But if Nintendo turns the WiiU around this coming Holiday, the PS4 is gong to have a hard time.


Why?



Because Sony have made the daft decision to include 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU pushing 1.8TFlops inside their console. There's no way in hell that it's going to retail for less than 400 dollars despite Sony's latest fundraising efforts.

I can see both the PS4 and 720 selling worse than the Wii U.


It's not going to retail for $599 either. Hell at $599 the PS3 was selling better than the Wii U in the same timeframe. Price could be $450. It'll be expensive but I don't know why the Wii U would hurt it. My answer to that will be in my response to spurge.

spurgeonryan said:
spurgeonryan said:
Yes. But if Nintendo turns the WiiU around this coming Holiday, the PS4 is gong to have a hard time.


Why?

Let's wait for the price annoucements before making any assumptions shall we?


But I didn't assume anything!

I don't see what Wii U doing well has anything to do with the PS4's success.



Because even though you may be a 19 year old millionaiire, others are not. We saw the same thing with the Vita launch and 3DS. Nintendo released too many good games for gamers not to bite. Leaving the Vita launch as a disappointment. If the Wii U has a killer enough Christmas, they could make some choose them over PS4.


The handheld and console markets are entirely different. As far as dedicated handhelds go Nintendo practically dominates that sector. People don't want a Vita because it's basically filled with niche and indie games, plus it's priced at $250 along with expensive memory cards. The 3DS still has a ton of room for improvement in the West though (sales can be much stronger than they are now), and faces competition from smartphones and tablets, same as Vita.

The competition in the console market is different because of the types of games the PS4 (and 720) will offer over the Wii U. You'll have the majority of major Western third party support on the PS4/720 and not on the Wii U--and people will expect that. This is what made the PS3/360 so strong and the Wii lacking. Now, the Wii had a major edge and was dominant for quite a time because of its casual focus, but can you say that Nintendo has the same casual hook with the Wii U? I doubt it.

What's left is a lack of third party support, but a potentially strong Nintendo offering this holiday. But can some Nintendo games alone help push people from a PS4 to a Wii U? Again, highly doubtful. Most people are going to prefer the types of games on the PS4/720, particularly the dudebro crowd and the more hardcore gamers. Not only that, but the PS4 at least has a large mainstream following---the PS4 teaser on Youtube has 28 million views. Way more attention than the Wii U has gotten.

What are you expecting for the Wii U this holiday? Mario Kart, 3D Mario? Maybe Zelda Wind Waker HD? Will some Mario games and maybe an HD version of an old Zelda game really push the PS3/360 crowd who are willing to upgrade to a Wii U over the PS4/720, despite the games that they want will not be on the Wii U? Once again, doubtful.

Now, I'm not saying the PS4/720 will be off to a very strong start (a bunch of major games will be cross gen), but I don't see the Wii U affecting them very much. More than likely they'll be off to a stronger start than the Wii U had.

If Nintendo get 3D Mario, Mario Kart,Zelda WW, Pikmin 3, w101  all out before or around the holidays.Then add Watch dogs, Ass Creed 4, Rayman, The inevitable new COD game and maybe GTAV ( yes GTAV hasnt been officially ruled out for Wii U, a man can dream) then Wii U might stand a decent chance.