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MDMAlliance on 26 March 2013
VGKing said:
tbone51 said:
Wat i dont understand is why people cant take out $20 extra for the CPP? I mean 1st of all the 3DS is more fit with just 1 anolog(even though i wish it had 2 to begin with) and while some games scream a second anolog like RE revelations and MH3U(both work good without 2nd analog either way) why cant they just buy a CPP? Complaints its more $$ but rather have it on Vita?

Well you can get 3 CPP with a 3DS and it'll be cheaper than a vita cuz you'll need to get a memory card anyway. Some people will agree with this guy only cuz MH3U is not on the platform they want. Its too bad, Get both Handhelds and if not dont complain.

I want Gravity Rush and One Piece Warriors 2. You dont hear me saying it'll be better on 3DS cuz of 2 screens. Its my problem i dont own a vita yet. Plain and Simple

It's not a price problem. It's a design problem. Some games require a 2nd analog and the CPP is Nintendo admitting to a flaw in the 3DS design.
The whole point this guy made is how they are putting a game on a platform that doesn't even make sense purely for profit. It's obvious that console-style games aren't a very good fit for the 3DS and that's what Monster Hunter is. A console-style game. Vita is perfect for console style games. Some keep bashing the Vita calling it a PS3 port machine but that's actually one of its advantages IMO. 


The PS3 has a design problem too.  It requires a controller you need to buy for motion controls.  The 360 has a design problem too, it needed the kinect to do motion controls.  There's no microphone built into the PS3 or 360, there's a design problem.  

Every console has a "design problem."  This is really not a good argument at all.

CPP is used in like only 1% of games, and isn't required.  You can control the game without it, and really it doesn't make that much sense to complain so much about it when you rarely ever use it.  

Can't say it isn't the same thing, because it pretty much is.  



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theRepublic on 26 March 2013
osed125 said:
theRepublic said:
MystVearn said:

Lol, this guy...I've heard nothing but praise up to this point.  What exactly did they do that was insulting I wonder?

I don't really know anything about him, so I decided to Google him.  I typed "fez creator" and the first suggestion from Google was "fez creator racist".  I'll bet he is a real winner.

If they did something it most have been during the DS and Wii. With the Wii U and 3DS indie devs are very happy: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/189180/Nintendos_Adelman_talks_easier_requirements_for_3DS_Wii_U_indie_dev.php

Very long but interesting read.

The only problem I remember with the Wii was the file size limitation.  But the Wii didn't have much storage, so that wasn't exactly something Nintendo could just make go away.  It was just a problem we had to live with due to the original design.  We still got some great downloadable games anyway.



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Devil_Survivor on 26 March 2013
VGKing said:
c0rd said:
VGKing said:
tbone51 said:
Wat i dont understand is why people cant take out $20 extra for the CPP? I mean 1st of all the 3DS is more fit with just 1 anolog(even though i wish it had 2 to begin with) and while some games scream a second anolog like RE revelations and MH3U(both work good without 2nd analog either way) why cant they just buy a CPP? Complaints its more $$ but rather have it on Vita?

Well you can get 3 CPP with a 3DS and it'll be cheaper than a vita cuz you'll need to get a memory card anyway. Some people will agree with this guy only cuz MH3U is not on the platform they want. Its too bad, Get both Handhelds and if not dont complain.

I want Gravity Rush and One Piece Warriors 2. You dont hear me saying it'll be better on 3DS cuz of 2 screens. Its my problem i dont own a vita yet. Plain and Simple

It's not a price problem. It's a design problem. Some games require a 2nd analog and the CPP is Nintendo admitting to a flaw in the 3DS design.
The whole point this guy made is how they are putting a game on a platform that doesn't even make sense purely for profit. It's obvious that console-style games aren't a very good fit for the 3DS and that's what Monster Hunter is. A console-style game. Vita is perfect for console style games. Some keep bashing the Vita calling it a PS3 port machine but that's actually one of its advantages IMO. 

Most games don't need the analog. It only hurts MH3 in underwater fights, and MH4 won't have any.

@ the platform not making sense for profit, how so? The Vita hasn't been selling, and they already made a deal with Nintendo. Vita exclusive would've been a disaster.

As for where the game should be - the games should be where they sell the best, that's how the industry works. Otherwise, there's no sense in having any home consoles at all, because they're all inferior to PC's. Just listen to the elitist PC crowd who whine about how console games have ruined gaming.

The Monter Hunter games sold millions on PSP. There's a reason for that. It's because the PSP doesn't have Pokemon or Mario. Monster Hunter pretty much had the PSP all to itself. Monster Hunter on the 3DS will have trouble reaching the same success as the PSP since it has a lot more competition. This is why you see 3rd party games selling better on Vita or PSP instead of DS or 3DS. 

Yes, the games should be where they sell best and for Monster Hunter that should be the PSP or Vita. Capcom has to build a fanbase for the franchise on the 3DS when there is already one on the PSP. If they had made a Monster Hunter game for Vita, it would have been a smooth transition. But Nintendo stepped in and pulled a Microsoft. Now look at the Japanese market. Look how dreadful those sales are across the board....3DS isn't picking up the slack for the Vita.  This may sound crazy but the lack of Monster Hunter on the Vita due to some Nintendo/Capcom deal has hurt the games industry in Japan.

VG, I don't how you work yourself into these Glen Beck like posts lol. Yes, it sold millions on PSP, but it so did also on Wii. It sold like shit on the Sony home consoles, so not seeing your point actually other the fact you want Monster Hunter on Vita because you think it save the Vita. The fact this is a business, and Capcom probably made a business calculation seeing that the 3DS install base is over 6 times the Vita's. I3rd party games sell better on 3DS than Vita, example RE:Revelations has sold over 700,000 and that's more than ever Vita game except Uncharted I think. Pulling a Mircosoft? Please don't use that tited Sony fan nonsense people keep yelling about Microsoft buying exclusives. Every company, including Nintendo with thier army of super selling exclusives, enters into deals to bring software to their consoles, its nothing new. Its up to the developer whether or not their game will be exclusive or to a platform. Sony tries to buy exclusives too so don't act like they don't.



 

Otakumegane on 26 March 2013

I like how this thread went from a indie dev rage to a Monster Hunter discussion.



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c0rd on 26 March 2013
VGKing said:
c0rd said:

Most games don't need the analog. It only hurts MH3 in underwater fights, and MH4 won't have any.

@ the platform not making sense for profit, how so? The Vita hasn't been selling, and they already made a deal with Nintendo. Vita exclusive would've been a disaster.

As for where the game should be - the games should be where they sell the best, that's how the industry works. Otherwise, there's no sense in having any home consoles at all, because they're all inferior to PC's. Just listen to the elitist PC crowd who whine about how console games have ruined gaming.

The Monter Hunter games sold millions on PSP. There's a reason for that. It's because the PSP doesn't have Pokemon or Mario. Monster Hunter pretty much had the PSP all to itself. Monster Hunter on the 3DS will have trouble reaching the same success as the PSP since it has a lot more competition. This is why you see 3rd party games selling better on Vita or PSP instead of DS or 3DS. 

Yes, the games should be where they sell best and for Monster Hunter that should be the PSP or Vita. Capcom has to build a fanbase for the franchise on the 3DS when there is already one on the PSP. If they had made a Monster Hunter game for Vita, it would have been a smooth transition. But Nintendo stepped in and pulled a Microsoft. Now look at the Japanese market. Look how dreadful those sales are across the board....3DS isn't picking up the slack for the Vita.  This may sound crazy but the lack of Monster Hunter on the Vita due to some Nintendo/Capcom deal has hurt the games industry in Japan.

Except games aren't selling better on Vita. Do you realize MH3U sold more copies in Japan than the entire Vita userbase? That's how bad the Vita is doing. Its best selling third party game (in Japan) is P4 at ~260k, yet the 3DS has 14 3rd party games that have sold better.

Claiming the Japanese market is failing because "Nintendo pulled a Microsoft" is just laughable. It isn't Capcom's job to sell PSP's, it's their job to sell games. Sony hasn't grown the Vita userbase, which is why it gets nothing but niche games. Even without any deals, the game would've sold better on the 3DS/PSP. And what dreadful sales are you referring to? The 3DS userbase is still ramping up, and with MH4 / Pokemon coming, this year will be its peak. If overall sales are lower than last gen, it's because there aren't nearly as many new, big franchises. This is nothing new, the same thing happened with PS1/PS2.



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noname2200 on 26 March 2013
theRepublic said:

The only problem I remember with the Wii was the file size limitation.  But the Wii didn't have much storage, so that wasn't exactly something Nintendo could just make go away.  It was just a problem we had to live with due to the original design.  We still got some great downloadable games anyway.

There was also the sales floor for WiiWare titles: if it sold under X amount, the developer got nothing. And Nintendo didn't hand out a dev kit unless you had an actual office, and not just a laptop at home.



dahuman on 26 March 2013

I uh, only got 2 things from this:
a.) He sucks at Monster Hunter.
b.) He really really sucks at Monster Hunter

Also, don't tell me you guys don't remember the eagle clawing in Freedom and Freedom Unite on PSP, because I do, now I actually can control the camera with the touch screen on the 3DS so I don't see how that's such a terrible thing vs the eagle clawing of the past, which you can still do on 3DS if you so desire. The 2nd analog pro pad is like what? 20 bucks? Still cheaper than the Vita combined? NO FUCKING WAY!

Oh and this is me playing Monter Hunter, come join us guys <3


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tbone51 on 26 March 2013
dahuman said:

I uh, only got 2 things from this:
a.) He sucks at Monster Hunter.
b.) He really really sucks at Monster Hunter

Also, don't tell me you guys don't remember the eagle clawing in Freedom and Freedom Unite on PSP, because I do, now I actually can control the camera with the touch screen on the 3DS so I don't see how that's such a terrible thing vs the eagle clawing of the past, which you can still do on 3DS if you so desire. The 2nd analog pro pad is like what? 20 bucks? Still cheaper than the Vita combined? NO FUCKING WAY!

Oh and this is me playing Monter Hunter, come join us guys <3


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i said the same thing lol, $20 for a permanent 2nd analog! People who complain about spending an extra $20 for 3DS when they want it on vita *facepalm* ITS STILL CHEAPER! add on excuse, Memory cards is an add on then as well, an expensive add on lol



Bajablo on 26 March 2013
noname2200 said:
tbone51 said:
noname2200 said:
This man is a visionary and a genius!

and why is that?

Because his game is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and because absolutely f@$#ing NOBODY ever went “i wish this had 2nd screen that is smaller and a different aspect ration and touch but not 3D.” And because he's right about Monster Hunter is exactly like Phantasy Star Online. And because it’s too bad the vita isnt a bigger hit because hardware wise it’s PERFECT. it has ONE AWESOME SCREEN, and TWO JOYSTICKS. The math doesn't lie, you know.

And pretty soon you will begin saying that we all should get a jaguar.. cause you know.. do the math:

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dahuman on 26 March 2013
tbone51 said:
dahuman said:

I uh, only got 2 things from this:
a.) He sucks at Monster Hunter.
b.) He really really sucks at Monster Hunter

Also, don't tell me you guys don't remember the eagle clawing in Freedom and Freedom Unite on PSP, because I do, now I actually can control the camera with the touch screen on the 3DS so I don't see how that's such a terrible thing vs the eagle clawing of the past, which you can still do on 3DS if you so desire. The 2nd analog pro pad is like what? 20 bucks? Still cheaper than the Vita combined? NO FUCKING WAY!

Oh and this is me playing Monter Hunter, come join us guys <3


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i said the same thing lol, $20 for a permanent 2nd analog! People who complain about spending an extra $20 for 3DS when they want it on vita *facepalm* ITS STILL CHEAPER! add on excuse, Memory cards is an add on then as well, an expensive add on lol

Not to mention a 32GB Class10 MicroSD card, not even a full size mind you, can be found for 19-20 bucks, it's like what are people bitching at?