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mai said:

- Education in PRC is as much of an anti-Japanese as you're, say, anti-Chinese, i.e. not so much, just a lot of prejudice.

- Even if it's anti-Japanese as you say, I doubt they consider Japanese a racial defective people. It's hardly a racism.

- For nitpicking purposes. People stop calling every expression of intolerance a racism. Chinese and Japanese are of the same race more or less.


Err... I know a fair amount about what goes on in the mainland. My girlfriend is from there, as are several of my close friends (which really blows up your point about me being anti-Chinese), and probably 40% of my work colleagues (90% of the rest of my colleagues are from Hong Kong, so they have close mainland relatives). I know what gets taught in PRC schools, I know what sort of shit gets sanctioned to air on PRC TV.

Racism doesn't have to mean they believe that they believe the other race to be "defective", it just means they have to hate based on their race. When you hear shit like "I wish all those Japanese would die" on a fairly regular basis, you know that there is at least some racism in the culture.

Finally, I think you'd find that most Chinese will easily be able to determine the difference between Chinese and Japanese. Hell, it's even possible to distinguish between Hong Kongers and mainlanders, a fair percentage of the time. They might look "more or less" the same to you, but where I see hundreds of Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, and Korean men and women everyday, you learn to pick the differences. Some genetic, some cultural.

For you, or whatever definition you use, that not be enough to distinguish between race, but for the vast majority of people, that intolerance is enough to be racist. I always find it somewhat odd when people try to enforce other definitions of words, especially when a significant size of the population use it to mean something else.



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Racism means the same thing even if the definitions of what a race is varies by different cultural standards. For example, in the 1920's and 30's, Japanese school children got a similar education that kids in Nazi Germany would get. Japanese children were taught that the Japanese were racially superior than Chinese, Koreans, and Whites. This is one reason why the Japanese Imperial Army had very little regard towards the Chinese. Even though they were both Asian, the younger guys had been brainwashed into believing that they were racially different than the Chinese and therefore the Chinese should not be treated with dignity of any kind. Likewise, the Nazi's had German children believe they were a race of their own even though they were white like other Europeans.



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SamuelRSmith said:

I know what gets taught in PRC schools, I know what sort of shit gets sanctioned to air on PRC TV.
And I've read Chinese textbooks, haven't found anything special except for typically skewed point of view on national and world history. Rest assured, British or Japanese textbooks are equaly as skewed without all-mighty government brain-wash ;)

Racism doesn't have to mean they believe that they believe the other race to be "defective", it just means they have to hate based on their race.
Racism is considering certain people to be "untermensch" based on their race (or rather what these kind of theoretics consider a race as their definitons are rarely scientific). Call it Chinese nationalism or chauvinism (in it's original meaning), that's more appropriate, but not racism. Your definition is common misconception, probably due to broad usage of the word "race" in English, which is often outside of its strictly scientific meaning.

Finally, I think you'd find that most Chinese will easily be able to determine the difference between Chinese and Japanese.
I could distinguish Chinese from Japanese, not a rocket science. Doesn't rule out the fact they are both Mongoloids, though this fact certainly doens't make racism impossible due to its non-scientific nature :D





It is well known what chinese prisons are like, or how the human rights situation is in china, yet he chose to do business there and make money in this country.

i do not take issue with what happened to him, he experienced a horrible time and i feel sorry for him. but i take issue for calling it "the real China" because it isn't.

It can only be part of the real china, just like Guantanamo is part of the real USA, just like Disneyland is part of the real USA. A Country can never be represented by what happened to a single person.

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- George Orwell, ‘1984’

dahuman said:
It's kind funny how he listed No Religion and made it seemed like it's a bad thing as I think that's the smartest policy ever, and expected life to be worth more in a country of 1.3 billion people. I mean, sure, it sucks that happened, but don't list bullshit or obvious shit into the equation to try to get more supporters just because you got unlucky.


You think its the smartest policy ever to enforce No Religion?

Are you serious? I'm not very religios but people should be able to believe and practise what ever they want. As long as it doesnt encrouch on other peoples rights.

Never mix up the fundamental concept of religion with how extremists groups actually practise it. Its two completely differenct things.



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It's not too surprising that Chinese prisons are like this but it's still not right, whats even worse is that foreigners like this guy are treated like that but can't even appeal against it! It's only worse, that his countries embassy and prime minister didn't give a fuck about him! Just messed up really. China maybe an industrialised country but stuff like this, truly shows how backward it is. I bet North Korean prisons are even worse somehow.



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the2real4mafol said:
It's not too surprising that Chinese prisons are like this but it's still not right, whats even worse is that foreigners like this guy are treated like that but can't even appeal against it! It's only worse, that his countries embassy and prime minister didn't give a fuck about him! Just messed up really. China maybe an industrialised country but stuff like this, truly shows how backward it is. I bet North Korean prisons are even worse somehow.

I'm sure North Korean prison camps are way worse than Chinese one's. Just read the descriptions of their biggest prisons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp



    

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MoHasanie said:
the2real4mafol said:
It's not too surprising that Chinese prisons are like this but it's still not right, whats even worse is that foreigners like this guy are treated like that but can't even appeal against it! It's only worse, that his countries embassy and prime minister didn't give a fuck about him! Just messed up really. China maybe an industrialised country but stuff like this, truly shows how backward it is. I bet North Korean prisons are even worse somehow.

I'm sure North Korean prison camps are way worse than Chinese one's. Just read the descriptions of their biggest prisons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp

These prison camps are more comparable to the ones in Nazi Germany than anything, truly horrible. I just don't understand how these people can disregard human life like this. 



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SamuelRSmith said:
dahuman said:

Religion is illegal in China, you are not allowed to bring bibles into the country, it's fine for Chinese people not in China of course. :P I for one am pro that because religion has brought nothing but trouble even in past Chinese history, it's a stupid thing when there was already confucius who did it and did it better without using religion as a backup. The problem is men's greed knows no bounds.


Freedom of religion is protected by China's constitution. Although it does have caveats relating to making sure that the practise remainds loyal to the state. ie, there are Catholics in China but they undergo rules to ensure that they don't take the religion over the state... if the state says X about abortion or condoms, than the China Catholic Church must also say X.

You can be a Catholic that belongs to the Vatican, rather than the State sanctioned version, but that offers no constitutional protection.

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