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I´m eager to see how much of a comeback the system will have once Mario Kart & Co are released.The Gamecube had all those games too...but at the same time those games have become more popular than they were in the 6th generation.

What Mummelmann said is an interesting point...it could be the Gamepad/asymetric gameplay idea just won´t resonate with the market ...things like price cuts/better marketing/Mario Kart/WiiSports U/WiiFit U/etc...will come in time (hopefully concerning the marketing part)...if even after all those things we still see a GC/N64 performance, one could say the main problem is the system itself and its design philosophy.



I've owned a 3ds since launch and in my opinion it's actually only becoming worthwhile now.
I prey the wii U (which I also picked up at launch) doesn't take as long to pick up (in terms of game quality and quantiy I mean).
There are several games on the horizon that I'm excited about I just worry they wont arrive for 2 years but I guess e3 will give us more concrete information (or a nintendo direct, which nintendo seem to place more emphasis on than they do e3).
Looks like the wiiu is destined to become my 'secondary console of choice' again this gen.



The world moves so quickly these days. The console has only been struggling for two months. Saying Nintendo should be doing something to react to something that started 60 days ago is silly. Up until 2013 Wii U was selling exactly as Nintendo had projected, about 80% of Wii. Even the biggest detractors didn't expect a drop in sales this quickly. But you don't make new games, change marketing strategies or even slash prices in two months. Iwata needs to look at the big picture. January and February 2013 are barely even significant enough to be considered when you look at the life of the product. These months form a tiny little piece of the relevancy of a month like November 2013.

Some thoughts:

-Nintendo is dealing with an unprecidented late-life strength of previous gen PS360. In this scenario, with Wii U launching first, there is almost nothing their product can do to take the market. It can't compete with game library or price.
-Sony and MS have revealed next to nothing about the software support of their new systems. The most we have seen is a glimpse of Killzone. We also don't know the pricing structure or full feature set.
-Nintendo just gave a very exciting Nintendo Direct a month or two ago. It built hype but is quickly forgotten after a few weeks. Such is the mindset in the internet age and especially so when a competitor is announcing an all-new system after your broadcast.

With this in mind there is no point in Nintendo doing a marketing blitz or slashing prices. And they can't speed up games. The bulk of sales come in the second half of the year, and Nintendo doesn't really know what it's competing with yet. When MS and Sony announce pricing, Nintendo can counter by dropping theirs. When the Nextbox and PS4 reveal their full launch lineup, Nintendo can counter hype by revealing their big hitters. Revealing them now would give them nothing to counter the hype of the new systems. Nintendo doesn't have blinders on, they are just being smart. It's just hard for us observers to be patient.



As someone who loves Nintendo, they seriously need to pull their heads out of their arses, face the fact that they've fucked up hard, and do something about it.

Wii U doesn't need a price cut, what it needs are: (A) GAMES, (B) advertisement, and (C) announcements/dates for future releases to generate hype.

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Iwata being replaced, the company's last two years have been dismally mismanaged under his leadership.

It's astounding to think that the minds behind the Wii's incredible success could bungle is successor's launch window so embarrassingly. The worst part is, they're acting as if nothing is wrong, and doing nothing while their new home console spins its tires in the mud.

Nintendo's last two years rival Sony's 2006-2007 performance for sheer incompetence.



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JGarret said:
I´m eager to see how much of a comeback the system will have once Mario Kart & Co are released.The Gamecube had all those games too...but at the same time those games have become more popular than they were in the 6th generation.

What Mummelmann said is an interesting point...it could be the Gamepad/asymetric gameplay idea just won´t resonate with the market ...things like price cuts/better marketing/Mario Kart/WiiSports U/WiiFit U/etc...will come in time (hopefully concerning the marketing part)...if even after all those things we still see a GC/N64 performance, one could say the main problem is the system itself and its design philosophy.


The most likely outcome for the Wii U, from where I'm sitting, is a console with a really spiky sales curve, big Nintendo titles to drive sales fairly high and then massive drops when the storm settles. That's its main problem since it lacks appeal, it will likely never be able so sustain high sales, going off of the momentum of software and price alone, appealing to the fans of game franchises rather than having an enticing product, will probably ensure that it doesn't gain traction outside those circles and we can certainly forget about anything like the Wii's viral success or the lauded hardware and big budget 3rd party efforts that will net the competition a lof of press, both mainstream and tech.

The Wii U has done exactly what I said it would; fallen in between two markets where neither core nor casual gamers are really enticed by the design of the console itself and the services, features and solutions it offers are either unfulfilling (storage, connectivity) or simply available elsewhere and often at a lower price or in better versions (e-shops, online server hosting, streaming, media playback like Blu-ray etc). Getting terribly late ports at almost full price doesn't help either and the Gamepad will end up sabotaging the whole effort in the end.

Now, its highly improbable that the Wii U won't improve, a lot at times but the good numbers will elude it in the long run and to think that a lot of people expect a 3DS-like comeback is simply incredible (this is a widespread belief in here) when the two consoles and situations aren't at all comparable.

Edit; TheLastStarFighter; "Nintendo doesn't have blinders on, they are just being smart." I've never seen anything more wrong in here, Nintendo have been systematically stupid for at least three years with almost everything they've done and they have managed to waste the incredible combined momentum and power that the DS/Wii combo yielded them. This is terrible practice by a company that should know better. They're not nesting on some master plan that was there all along, they've simply fumbled badly for some time and seem inclined to continue doing so for now.



I wasn't thinking too much of this article, but then I saw the source. Woah.



I think that when finally they come with their good first party games they will be ok again. Look at the 3DS in the beginning it was also crappy, until it got it's first price cut and finally first party games came. As the past the Big N always needed the first party games to succeed the gen. I can't wait until Monolith Soft will come with a new RPG for the WiiU. I think I will buy it immediatly!!!!!!



curl-6 said:

As someone who loves Nintendo, they seriously need to pull their heads out of their arses, face the fact that they've fucked up hard, and do something about it.

Wii U doesn't need a price cut, what it needs are: (A) GAMES, (B) advertisement, and (C) announcements/dates for future releases to generate hype.

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Iwata being replaced, the company's last two years have been dismally mismanaged under his leadership.

It's astounding to think that the minds behind the Wii's incredible success could bungle is successor's launch window so embarrassingly. The worst part is, they're acting as if nothing is wrong, and doing nothing while their new home console spins its tires in the mud.

Nintendo's last two years rival Sony's 2006-2007 performance for sheer incompetence.

Their silence is just way too uncomfortable.I hate when games are announced years before launch (Sony used to do this, if I´m not mistaken), but I hate Nintendo´s modus operandi just as much.



Mummelmann said:
JGarret said:
I´m eager to see how much of a comeback the system will have once Mario Kart & Co are released.The Gamecube had all those games too...but at the same time those games have become more popular than they were in the 6th generation.

What Mummelmann said is an interesting point...it could be the Gamepad/asymetric gameplay idea just won´t resonate with the market ...things like price cuts/better marketing/Mario Kart/WiiSports U/WiiFit U/etc...will come in time (hopefully concerning the marketing part)...if even after all those things we still see a GC/N64 performance, one could say the main problem is the system itself and its design philosophy.


The most likely outcome for the Wii U, from where I'm sitting, is a console with a really spiky sales curve, big Nintendo titles to drive sales fairly high and then massive drops when the storm settles. That's its main problem since it lacks appeal, it will likely never be able so sustain high sales, going off of the momentum of software and price alone, appealing to the fans of game franchises rather than having an enticing product, will probably ensure that it doesn't gain traction outside those circles and we can certainly forget about anything like the Wii's viral success or the lauded hardware and big budget 3rd party efforts that will net the competition a lof of press, both mainstream and tech.

The Wii U has done exactly what I said it would; fallen in between two markets where neither core nor casual gamers are really enticed by the design of the console itself and the services, features and solutions it offers are either unfulfilling (storage, connectivity) or simply available elsewhere and often at a lower price or in better versions (e-shops, online server hosting, streaming, media playback like Blu-reay etc). Getting terribly late ports at almost full price doesn't help either and the Gamepad will end up sabotaging the whole effort in the end.

Now, its highly improbable that the Wii U won't improve, a lot at times but the good numbers will elude it in the long run and to think that a lot of people expect a 3DS-like comeback is simply incredible (this is a widespread belief in here) when the two consoles and situations aren't at all comparable.

Edit; TheLastStarFighter; "Nintendo doesn't have blinders on, they are just being smart." I've never seen anything more wrong in here, Nintendo have been systematically stupid for at least three years with almost everything they've done and they have managed to waste the incredible combined momentum and power that the DS/Wii combo yielded them. This is terrible practice by a company that should know better. They're not nesting on some master plan that was there all along, they've simply fumbled badly for some time and seem inclined to continue doing so for now.

Yeah, I´m not so sure the Wii U will emulate the 3DS comeback..and even then, the 3DS isn´t doing that great in the West.