@richardhutnik: Your right I was totally unclear. Let me be more specific if I can.

To your first question. How to bell the cat? Any person(s) that wants to stop paying taxes must vote for candidates with records of ending taxation in some form agreeable to them. All the while still obeying the tax code. I know this will not guarantee a bell on the cat but it is all I can do. Spread an Idea. If ppl don't take to it then they certainly deserve the government they have.


To your concern over absolute freedom I say; “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”

So what I advocate is that police and sheriffs volunteer. With paid expenses paid for with the smallest tax possible. That goes for all govt employees. Im willing to serve in the state senate without pay ( and I have a BS degree). I believe a government of volunteers would attract public servants with an interest in public good. Not bureaucrats. But again. I fail to find a solution to accomplish this outside of simply voting for candidates that refuse pay/pensions/benefits. There are others like me and we are growing. The Idea is out there and it's spreading :D

I'd hate to be on the USA's side for that war, not a trained combattant in the pack.

Unless you have ideas on how to privatize the forces... that would be interesting. 

I believe it would stop us from invading foreign countries.  It would also require all citizens to be armed and trained for thier own good to prevent an invasion.   Seriously,  who's going to invade a country with 150,000,000 armed citizens.  Not to mention.  No one has ever invaded a country that has a nuclear stock pile.

I'm pretty sure we'd be safe.. but please correct me if I'm mistaken.

That is no different than saying a Walmart employee is dependent on Walmart. That does without saying. I work for county government, but I also hate government waste. I see it every day. So yes I depend on the government for my paycheck that I earn just like a Walmart employee depends on their paycheck. What you're brother is legitimately complaining about are people on the government dole. They don't work, don't want to work and scam their way onto welfare. If only the people who deserve help got it nobody wouldn't complain about government waste. But too many people are getting free money while the rest of us pay the taxes they get welfare from.

A government employees, including service men and women work for their pay and pension. Deadbeat welfare recipients do nothing but hold their hand out for us taxpaying suckers. Depending on a paycheck is NOT the same as being a welfare dependent.

Military is so much more than shooting a weapon though. Ignoring the fact you would have no able Air Force or Navy, a militia with no real organization or proper training would be slaughtered by a well trained army. Look at many different trades are employed within the Forces, each of these serve their own purpose and can't be ignored or forgotten.

The idea of arming citizens as a defence force could work in a smaller european country perhaps, but the condition the USA is in... I wouldn't trust it.

Too many races, cultures, classes, clashing together in a system that doesn't care enough for people in need, in a gun violence culture.

Obviously cut backs need to be made, but what you are talking about is far too drastic in my opinion.

I've notice the same kind of things too. That the people most outspoken on self sufficiently and against the government - for example this 20 something kid I know - are often the ones most clueless - as in he is still living off his parents, who paid for his public school, public college, and live off the government themselves.  He just doesn't see it at all.

And another one of my friend seriously asked me if Obama was a communist.  This guy is under 40 and has live off social security for more than the last 5 years. As has his girlfriend who also lives off social security.  They have no problem with it.

Somehow they hate government waste, while they, relatively healthy and could work, don't see that they are the very thing they hate.

And remember "Don't cut Medicare for Socialized Medicine!"

Those in your example are hypocrites, but everyone on Medicare paid into it. Socialized medicine would give "free" health care to those who don't pay into it while those who do pay end up paying for those who don't. It's not the same thing. Medicare is not the same thing as socialized medicine. It's a fallacy to compare them. It's like comparing social security and welfare. Social security is really insurance. You pay into it so when you retire if you who don't have enough real retirement money you have social security to fall back on because you paid into it for decades. Welfare is a check handed out to someone who doesn't work or pay into the system and it's paid for by those who do work and pay into the system. Social security has been twisted into paying for more than retired people who've paid for it, but it really was originally retirement insurance. Social medicine, like Welfare, is redistribution of wealth.

It would be reckless to switch to a citizen militia overnight.  Especially with the kind of kids our public schools are producing.  My idea is part of a large philosophy that worked great in this country for a very long time.  As to being slaughtered by a well trained army.  Just tell that to my fore fathers.   for one hundred years, There was no federal tax and military spending was below 200k.  Just to clarify aswell, there would be a navy, air force, etc. America had a navy before there was an IRS.  It would be just large enough to defend our shores.  And you can have a well regulated militia of volunteers.. Just not with this generation.  You're right about the division, we would need to unite under 1 culture of personal liberty and responsibility which would create a strong middle class.  

I digress, I probably sound like a ranting lunatic

Defense against what, exactly? I never understood that, when was the US invaded by an enemy or even threatened by any army? The only thing I see is a massive military that goes preemptively into other countries, bombs them to smitherines and leaves them in ruins with no infrastructure, governing organs, funds or future, only contempt and poverty. Oh, and asks that NATO helps pick up the bill and try to stabilize the region afterwards.

War is bleeding the US dry, war is costly, read up on some English and French history and see how utterly depleted even the richest nations can become by waging war on everyone and everything.

During WW2 Alaska was invaded.  I believe that was the last time.

Well not counting various groups who declare independence anyway every now and again.  (Waco what have you.)

Constantly improving military technology is the main was to ensure not being invaded, if you ask me.