Forums - Sony Discussion - Nvidia bitterness continues, compares PS4 specs to a 'low-end CPU'

Soundwave said:

Steam Box will be interesting, it should be more powerful than the 720 or PS4 and have cheaper games.

Sony has Uncharted and Gran Turismo and MS has Halo and Gears but valve is no push over with Half-Life, Portal, etc.

The first Steambox is already up for pre-order. It'll cost you $999. NO, I'm not joking.



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Expected hyperbole from a company spokesperson representing the views of a company that stands to gain absolutely nothing from the potential success of the PS4.

They were underbid by AMD, pure and simple, for both the PS4 and Xbox 3 contracts. And as a result, only AMD stands to gain from whatever success may come to bear from the next gen of consoles.

So of course Nvidia would like people to regularly buy their video cards for PCs instead and attempt to write off the significance of the next gen of consoles.



VGKing said:
Soundwave said:

Steam Box will be interesting, it should be more powerful than the 720 or PS4 and have cheaper games.

Sony has Uncharted and Gran Turismo and MS has Halo and Gears but valve is no push over with Half-Life, Portal, etc.

The first Steambox is already up for pre-order. It'll cost you $999. NO, I'm not joking.


According to Valve that's not a real Steambox. 



nVidia really reeks of desperation with this one.

Not only most of the latest benchmarks put AMD's counterparts at same or higher level than their own cards, but they are well aware that by both PS4 and Nextbox having AMD's GPU's inside, all games will be optimized for that architecture and not theirs.

As for their claim about PS4's GPU - it is in-between 7850-7870 equivalent card in performance, so it's an upper mid-range GPU....and as for some posters here - is it a mobile or desktop part is completely irrelevant, it's a 1152:72:32@800MHz part, so it's easy to cross reference it with other AMD's offerings, both desktop and mobile.



A 7850 GPU by the time the PS4 actually launches will be mid-range, maybe even low mid-range.



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Shinobi-san said:
So im seriously struggling to make the jump here? And why are so many tech minded people just going along with this? How on earth does a 7850, 7870, 7970M hybrid gpu fall into the low end category at all???? Taking into account what we know of real world gaming performance benchmarks.


It's low-end because, not only are they not the fastest chips around, but their is only one of them when allot of PC gamers are moving onto multiple cards to take advantage of higher resolutions.

In terms of single GPU performance a 7850/7870/7970M is most certainly mid-range performance, which is a very different focus from when the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched and they had high-end chips, then again for a few years they should be more than enough for 1080P. - In the PC space the old and venerable Radeon 5870 is still capable of maxing out most games at 1080P and that's almost a 4 year old card and would be in the same league as a Radeon 7850.



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Soundwave said:

Steam Box will be interesting, it should be more powerful than the 720 or PS4 and have cheaper games.

Sony has Uncharted and Gran Turismo and MS has Halo and Gears but valve is no push over with Half-Life, Portal, etc.

The Steam Box will be more expensive and weaker than PS4.



Soundwave said:
According to Valve that's not a real Steambox.

http://www.gamefront.com/xi3-reaffirms-valve-invested-in-piston-steam-box-despite-valve-statement/

Anyway the "official" Steam Box will not be too differente than Piston...



disolitude said:
Scoobes said:
Well, whilst he's not technically wrong, this has the strong stench of damage control.


I'd like to sign this "technically correct but alterior motive at play" petition as well.

Agreed , I noticed a statement from the head of nvidia and it was a fair way into the PS3's life saying how pleased they where with the Sony partnership , there was  no our PS3 gpu is old and slow business then , another thing  is they don't mention that they  didn't  have a real alternative to amd's  apu  hsa unified memory approach obviously they have differing focus and  no x86 license  so to them it would have meant lots of engineering resources spent to come up with something viable in a short space of time and no guarantees it would be the winning contract ,  this is all rather different from here's a  GPU to match your CPU .



Pemalite said:
Shinobi-san said:
So im seriously struggling to make the jump here? And why are so many tech minded people just going along with this? How on earth does a 7850, 7870, 7970M hybrid gpu fall into the low end category at all???? Taking into account what we know of real world gaming performance benchmarks.


It's low-end because, not only are they not the fastest chips around, but their is only one of them when allot of PC gamers are moving onto multiple cards to take advantage of higher resolutions.

In terms of single GPU performance a 7850/7870/7970M is most certainly mid-range performance, which is a very different focus from when the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched and they had high-end chips, then again for a few years they should be more than enough for 1080P. - In the PC space the old and venerable Radeon 5870 is still capable of maxing out most games at 1080P and that's almost a 4 year old card and would be in the same league as a Radeon 7850.

I'd say problem is in length of the cycle, not absolute performance - for same increase in performance/year as in Xbox1 to 360, they would need something like 7970 inside. However, if absolute jump is compared, PS4's GPU is about the same jump as 6th to 7th gen.

However nVidia spins it, GPU inside of PS4 is definitely not low end, specially when quick Steam stats check puts only around 8% of users at equivalent or higher level.