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Why are they so pissed with the USA ?

Is the US drilling oil there or something ?



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Even if Nordkorea decides to nuke the US. And manages to drop something on US Soil. USA wouldn't nuke North Korea. They would simply start a large scale attack and take apart the whole country with conventional means. China would probably sit back and do nothing except insist that afterwards they need to play a big role in rebuilding it. Maybe China would invade North Korea before the USA to "help" them in order to prevent too much US Influence.



FrancisNobleman said:
Why are they so pissed with the USA ?

Is the US drilling oil there or something ?

It's cool to hate the US.

 

Look, we have someone in this thread talking about how the US is a policed state and yadda yadda yet he lives across the atlantic ocean and has no clue.

Everyone hates us, yet when disaster strikes them they want us to come help out.



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Every time Kim opens his mouth people take him seriously. He is getting the exact response he is after. He will never attack the US as it is just plain dumb and as "evil" as he is I doubt he is dumb.

He is trying to goad the US, maybe into doing something stupid like spending trillions of dollars they don't have in sending more weapons and troops to the area. Pretty clever if you ask me. get them even further in the red.
Maybe he is even trying to provoke them into attacking first so that he gains the moral high ground.

At the same time the arrogance of some American people in their military and weapons brings to mind the other "invincible" nations of history that met their ends believing in their invincibility.

Winning a nuclear war after an exchange is the most worthless of victories. Even if the other side got off a handful of nukes over US cities and America nuked them off the map. Living in a radiation zone is shit for anyone let alone the economy. Might as well pack up and leave. The real winners will be the nations not involved and far away from the whole mess.

Then again, I seriously doubt N.Kore currently have the tech to nuke American without the missile being shot down. Only Russia have the thousands of nukes to make any defense system useless... maybe China as they play down their nuke numbers and military spending.



JayWood2010 said:
JazzB1987 said:
JayWood2010 said:
JazzB1987 said:
NintendoPie said:
Goodness, THE USA are like little children that think they can do whatever they want and not get punished for it.

Stop trying to kill us North Korea! This wouldn't be good for either side.


FIXED   :)   

(just look at what the US of A did during the last 15 years and what bad stuff north korea did in comparison. Can you name 1 really bad thing they did other than going "BLAH BLAH BEWARE OF MIGHTY N.KOREA BLAH!" ? I doubt that)


America may have some problems but we aren't threatening to Nuke someone either.  If N. Korea is so childish to do something like that not ONly will America respond but much of the world will respond.  Nukes are not something to play around with.


Yup  instead the USA invades countries     thats certainly much better :)

N.Korea will never nuke the USA  they are not dumb  people that believe this propaganda shit   should think about it... 

The USA would also not nuke other countries  because now (in comparison to WW2) other countries also have nukes and will take revenge. 

Noone will ever nuke some other country  because that would basically be the end of the world.



Invading a country is much better than nuclear warfare and you know that.  If you don't like America than so be it but don't be childish about the subject either.  Like i said, America has done some thing that has been wrong but in this case we are not wrong.  This is a situation that in my opinion needs to be dealt with and if force is necessary then so be it. I dont agree with needless war but this is a case that effects the entire world so if we attack N. Korea and kill innocent people we are still protecting many more innocent people at the same time.  

Now you can talk all the shit about U.S.A you want but this time i see it hard to to point a finger at us while we are not the ones threatening to nuke someone.  What country are you from?  And if we threatened to nuke you guys how do you think your country would react?  Do you think other countries would react as well?  And damnit this news effects you as well so think before you talk.


I am sorry but your clearly fell for the propaganda shit    dude :)    Invading a country that NEVER DECLARED WAR is not good at all. If you think otherwhise I am really sorry for you.  You also did what they want you to do   You take US-government critic and assume its "I hate america".   Why would I dont like America?
I play American games, I watch American movies, I listen to American music.  I speak English because of AMERICA (as If I would learn English because of Great Britain LOL  :)

The real country/government/whatever  that needs to be dealt with is the lobbyist  assholes all around the world.  That want to earn money.

There is no force needed at all since N.Koreas can say whatever they want within their own territory.   Do you feel the need to force everyone to be like you are?

If you invade countries and in doing so kill innocent people how is this good? Can you guarantee that the other country will attack you ? No you cant.   Remember the Iraq shit?    WE ARE 100% SURE THEY HAVE NUKES, CHEMICAL WEAPONS BLAH.  Guess what nothing!  Don't fall for this shit twice!  Germans felt for the same crap 70 years ago and it feels like Americans are their spiritual successors...

Sure you are not the ones threatening to nuke someone you already threatened the whole world to invade every country that doesnt play by your rules. You do this so great your own population doesnt even think its threatening anymore.   You sabotage other countries economy (sanctions etc.)  Thats certainly better than what N.Koread did (which was just USING WORDS to show the world that they are not IRAQ)

Seriously  think about it.  
You are N.Korea  you deal with your own shit  then there is the USA a huge powerful country that obviously can do whatever it wants because it is part of every major world council.  UN security council/economics/human rights whatever. There is not even 1 thing in the world that has influence without the USA being a part of it or being in full control.

The only way to prevend your country from being f*cked (no matter how shitty it is)  is to come up with  effective ways to defend.  In this case  the easiest way  are nukes which act as a deterrent.


Now there is the USA  they dont want you to have an effective way to defend so they come and tell you to stop having nukes etc.  HOW DUMB IS THIS?
The USA is basically  EA and in this case N.Korea is Nintendo lol.  Ask others to willingly have a disadvantage(Origin/no defence) and if they say NO  act all angry  and punish (no support/sanctions)  WTF?!?


I mean the USA is working on a ANTI NUKE SHIIELD   to have an advantage. People dont want the USA to have this   the USA doesnt care what others want. The usa will have the advantage soon enough....

Conclusion:

  1. The USA wants the be the most powerful country
  2. The USA doesnt want non-kissass-countries to have a way to defend themselves against the USA
  3. The USA mentally and economically attacks those countries with sanctions, threats and anti-non-kissass-country-propaganda
  4. The USA starts to invade those countries as long as the USA knows their defence is weak
  5. The USA places marionette governments there to turn the country into a kissass-country
  6. If 4. is not working then the USA comes up with plan B (in case of N.Korea  NUKE-DEFENCE so the N.Korean nukes will have no effect)
  7. If non kissass-countries don't want the USA to have NUKE-DEFENCE  the USA ignores this because it doesnt have to fear sanctions etc (the USA would not put sanctions on itself)


    Seems fair! 

    P.S. The reason why I have a different view than you is that I am not part of the crap thats going on to the same extent you are a part of it. My view is partially flawed by the somewhat biased media coverage but its not as bad as it could be. And because its just partially biased its easier for me to see the whole picture not just 1 part of it.


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JazzB1987 said:
JayWood2010 said:
JazzB1987 said:
JayWood2010 said:
JazzB1987 said:
NintendoPie said:
Goodness, THE USA are like little children that think they can do whatever they want and not get punished for it.

Stop trying to kill us North Korea! This wouldn't be good for either side.


FIXED   :)   

(just look at what the US of A did during the last 15 years and what bad stuff north korea did in comparison. Can you name 1 really bad thing they did other than going "BLAH BLAH BEWARE OF MIGHTY N.KOREA BLAH!" ? I doubt that)


America may have some problems but we aren't threatening to Nuke someone either.  If N. Korea is so childish to do something like that not ONly will America respond but much of the world will respond.  Nukes are not something to play around with.


Yup  instead the USA invades countries     thats certainly much better :)

N.Korea will never nuke the USA  they are not dumb  people that believe this propaganda shit   should think about it... 

The USA would also not nuke other countries  because now (in comparison to WW2) other countries also have nukes and will take revenge. 

Noone will ever nuke some other country  because that would basically be the end of the world.



Invading a country is much better than nuclear warfare and you know that.  If you don't like America than so be it but don't be childish about the subject either.  Like i said, America has done some thing that has been wrong but in this case we are not wrong.  This is a situation that in my opinion needs to be dealt with and if force is necessary then so be it. I dont agree with needless war but this is a case that effects the entire world so if we attack N. Korea and kill innocent people we are still protecting many more innocent people at the same time.  

Now you can talk all the shit about U.S.A you want but this time i see it hard to to point a finger at us while we are not the ones threatening to nuke someone.  What country are you from?  And if we threatened to nuke you guys how do you think your country would react?  Do you think other countries would react as well?  And damnit this news effects you as well so think before you talk.


I am sorry but your clearly fell for the propaganda shit    dude :)    Invading a country that NEVER DECLARED WAR is not good at all. If you think otherwhise I am really sorry for you.  You also did what they want you to do   You take US-government critic and assume its "I hate america".   Why would I dont like America?
I play American games, I watch American movies, I listen to American music.  I speak English because of AMERICA (as If I would learn English because of Great Britain LOL  :)

The real country/government/whatever  that needs to be dealt with is the lobbyist  assholes all around the world.  That want to earn money.

There is no force needed at all since N.Koreas can say whatever they want within their own territory.   Do you feel the need to force everyone to be like you are?

If you invade countries and in doing so kill innocent people how is this good? Can you guarantee that the other country will attack you ? No you cant.   Remember the Iraq shit?    WE ARE 100% SURE THEY HAVE NUKES, CHEMICAL WEAPONS BLAH.  Guess what nothing!  Don't fall for this shit twice!  Germans felt for the same crap 70 years ago and it feels like Americans are their spiritual successors...

Sure you are not the ones threatening to nuke someone you already threatened the whole world to invade every country that doesnt play by your rules. You do this so great your own population doesnt even think its threatening anymore.   You sabotage other countries economy (sanctions etc.)  Thats certainly better than what N.Koread did (which was just USING WORDS to show the world that they are not IRAQ)

Seriously  think about it.  
You are N.Korea  you deal with your own shit  then there is the USA a huge powerful country that obviously can do whatever it wants because it is part of every major world council.  UN security council/economics/human rights whatever. There is not even 1 thing in the world that has influence without the USA being a part of it or being in full control.

The only way to prevend your country from being f*cked (no matter how shitty it is)  is to come up with  effective ways to defend.  In this case  the easiest way  are nukes which act as a deterrent.


Now there is the USA  they dont want you to have an effective way to defend so they come and tell you to stop having nukes etc.  HOW DUMB IS THIS?
The USA is basically  EA and in this case N.Korea is Nintendo lol.  Ask others to willingly have a disadvantage(Origin/no defence) and if they say NO  act all angry  and punish (no support/sanctions)  WTF?!?


I mean the USA is working on a ANTI NUKE SHIIELD   to have an advantage. People dont want the USA to have this   the USA doesnt care what others want. The usa will have the advantage soon enough....

Conclusion:

  1. The USA wants the be the most powerful country
  2. The USA doesnt want non-kissass-countries to have a way to defend themselves against the USA
  3. The USA mentally and economically attacks those countries with sanctions, threats and anti-non-kissass-country-propaganda
  4. The USA starts to invade those countries as long as the USA knows their defence is weak
  5. The USA places marionette governments there to turn the country into a kissass-country
  6. If 4. is not working then the USA comes up with plan B (in case of N.Korea  NUKE-DEFENCE so the N.Korean nukes will have no effect)
  7. If non kissass-countries don't want the USA to have NUKE-DEFENCE  the USA ignores this because it doesnt have to fear sanctions etc (the USA would not put sanctions on itself)


    Seems fair! 

    P.S. The reason why I have a different view than you is that I am not part of the crap thats going on to the same extent you are a part of it. My view is partially flawed by the somewhat biased media coverage but its not as bad as it could be. And because its just partially biased its easier for me to see the whole picture not just 1 part of it.


Lengthy comment so at least you put thought into it.  I don't agree with you but i appreciate that you put time into it.

I still believe N.Korea is wrong. If they want Nukes for defense that is one thing but they are planning to attack from many statements that has been said in the last few months.  America isn't going to do something until we are pushed and this is pushing the issue.  As far as Iraq, I live in the US and very few people agree with us being in Iraq so we aren't mindless people here like you are making us sound.  And once again Iraq shouldnt have attacked us and we would never have had an excuse to go there in the first place.  i still dont agree with us being there still but that was Iraq's decision to attack america.  




       

spurgeonryan said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Even if North Korea had the ability to launch a nuclear strike against the United States, it wouldn't. The regime isn't suicidal.

This article is a little sensational.

Yahoo is not the only site that is posting this. It was all over the radio on my way home from work this morning.

I don't mean the content. I mean the presentation. It's composed in a very sensational, aggressive way.

Compare it to this article on the same subject, from CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/07/world/asia/un-north-korea-sanctions/index.html



Exciting.



Nothing will happen, North Korea likes to make these threats in a vain attempt to keep relevant and in the spotlight, the UN will still discuss their sanctions against North Korea and then impose them (then the North concedes concessions to release the sanctions only to start building missiles again... rinse and repeat).

If they do attempt anything on the 11th, it will be purely symbolic in nature, the North can not have attempt to win a war which lasts even months... Seoul however is relatively close to the border, if they attempted to capture Seoul from the South and then offered an immediate ceasefire in exchange for considerable concessions... I could see logic in attempting to do that (sort of similar to the Schlieffen Plan by Germany in WW1).



JazzB1987 said:

I am not defending N.Korea at all  lol :)  I am just showing you that a conflict always has 2 parties not just 1. And as long as ones own country is not much better one should avoid preaching because this is a sign of ignorance.

Dont get me wrong I dont criticize the citizens of the USA or any other country for that matter    its just "normal" that 95% of every countries population are not smart ;).   And the shitty governments abuse their populations lack of "enlightenment" for their stupid plans.

People simply believe what they are told and thats the problem.  I mean who are we to tell N.Korea to have nukes or to not have nukes?  Who are we to tell Iran what to do?  Did anyone tell us to please not get nukes?  Even if anyone would have told the US to never get nukes  as if the government would have listened lol.


I can name 1000 things that are wrong with the USA. 

#1 would be the USA acts like its a "free" "morally" "democratic" country. But in fact the citizens lose their rights and it turns into a police state.


Go ahead, name 1'000 things wrong with the USA. It would still show that the USA is better (not really the word for it, but whatever) than most countries are. You can't write that off.

And where did you get that figure of 95% of every countries population aren't smart and fall for everything that their government says? I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of thin air. Anyhow, this is not the topic at hand we are supposed to be talking about North Korea and their horrible decision to make statements like this. Not how people dislike the US and their reasons for it.

Edit: And I agree that there is a cause and effect relationship. N. Korea can't be the only ones in this problem.