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Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:
BaldrSkies said:
NiKKoM said:
Geez you americans are still at this? Its been 12 years since same sex mariage in the netherlands became legal.. Heck i cant even remember at how many gay weddings i have been.. Some are already divorced!


Legalize gay marriage so studies can be conducted on the gay divorce rate!

But in all seriousness people need to take their personal religion out of politics.

The have and the ration divorce is lowest for man-woman marriages where same sex marriage is legal. (Masscults being the old US state with Same Sex Marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

Man-Man marriage have, after the same amount of time, half the divorce rate for Man-Woman marriages.

Woman-Woman marriages have about the same divorce rate of Man-Woman marriages.  But statistics show that Woman-Woman couples raise the most achieving children, and the lowest molestation rate of all couples.

I'm for gay marriage but my inner statician is screaming at me right now.

It would be way to early to conduct that kind of study in any US state.  You'd need a Europeon state where gay marriage has been around a couple decades.

Reason being, most divorces happen early on in a wedding.

So you look at gay couples right.  Just because they haven't been married, doesn't mean they haven't been living togther.  My cousin for example has been living with his partner for I don't even know, might of been longer then I could remember.

While he would of got married likely decades ago, he couldn't, and when the law passes.  He will.    Meanwhile someone who WOULD of got divorced decades ago never got married in the first place.   So essentially you've got decades worth of "Good marriages" messing up the marriage rate.

Honestly, half the divorce rate seems bad in regards to such numbers since it's an "Order of Magnitude" type thing as far as years go, however there may be a bunch of people getting married just because they're so excited they could and rushing marriages sooner.

 

That is to say if we're talking about percentage of marriages that  divorce within the first year.... and we assume gay and straight couples are the same and we just look at 2 years.   Straight people married for two yerars lets say have a 50% divorce rate.

For gay people, if gay marriage had been outlawed two years ago, and made legal again one year ago... (and wedding rates stayed the same.)  Since that first group who was going to get married is no longer around.   Gay Divorce rate should be 33%.   Just on the basis of a one year difference.


So unless controlled for intellegenetly you'd expect there to be HUGE gaps just based on the above phenomom.


To be honest i'd expect gay marriage divorce rates to end up HIGHER all thigns adjusted.  Not because of anything inherent to gay marriage, but due to all the extra stress put on same sex couples by a general homophobic culture.

Let me clarify, the studies I am referring to regarding are studying divorce rate of all couples leagally married at that marriage time to now.  So for something like 8 years in The Netherlands, and 5 in Massachusetts, as the last revision of the study was a year or two ago.  But they were looking at every year as you described.  But the numbers showed up within, the first year, and haven’t deviated significantly.

The theory is that if a male-male wants to get married, they really want to stay married.  But I honestly don’t know the reason for their lower than average divorce rate.

Yes, I could see how one would think that the divorce rate for a same sex couple would be higher, but sastically it is not the case.  

Here is another big of odd trivia – the rate of domestic assault of woman-woman couples is virtually the same man-woman according to USA police reports.



 

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Slimebeast said:
Zappykins said:
BaldrSkies said:
NiKKoM said:
Geez you americans are still at this? Its been 12 years since same sex mariage in the netherlands became legal.. Heck i cant even remember at how many gay weddings i have been.. Some are already divorced!


Legalize gay marriage so studies can be conducted on the gay divorce rate!

But in all seriousness people need to take their personal religion out of politics.

The have and the ration divorce is lowest for man-woman marriages where same sex marriage is legal. (Masscults being the old US state with Same Sex Marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

Man-Man marriage have, after the same amount of time, half the divorce rate for Man-Woman marriages.

Woman-Woman marriages have about the same divorce rate of Man-Woman marriages.  But statistics show that Woman-Woman couples raise the most achieving children, and the lowest molestation rate of all couples.

Yeah right...

In Sweden and Norway, male same-sex couples have a 50% higher divorce rate than heterosexual couples, and female same-sex couples have more than double the divorce rate of heterosexuals.

You must be referring to the Gunnar Andersson, Turid Noack, Ane Seierstad & Harald Weedon-Fekjær study. Yes, same sex couples have a harder time in Sweden and Norway - but the study you are silting is looking as domestic registered couples vs married hetero sexual couples where at least one is a parent.  Domestic Partnerships are not the same as marriage, and requiring a rising a child for a hetro married couple is not making an equal sample.

It would have been more interesting if they included the parent requirement for all couples.

 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

MoleMolinski said:
They aren't talking points... If you don't know about the christian majority, or the silent minority, or any of the republican nonsense in the 1990's just dont comment on it. You THINK certain things, without know the facts, and you assume I'm going to let you continue attempting to generalize your original point that the democratic MINORITY is to BLAME for DOMA....

You've literally fallen into the typical republican trap. You're blaming a 32 person MINORITY, for something that the OVERWHELMING REPUBLICAN MAJORITY DID. Do you see what I'm telling you....we're going in circles. Republicans Drafted/Wrote/Passed/Put on their Platform their support for DOMA.

Google the makeup of the senate/house, google the makeup of the electorate and then maybe you could throw out a single point that doesn't have to do with generalizations of "people changing over time."

We both agree in the end anyway, you're just falling into a typical republican trap and I'm TRYING to show you that lol. I don't care about your gay rights struggle, that has NOTHING to do with the point you were claiming. You're throwing anything you can at the wall and hoping it sticks. It aint stickin.... stick to the original point and the FACTS.



No.  I'm blaming them BOTH for it.  As it was BOTH their fault.  I don't let people get away with homophobic acts simply because they have a D next to their name  Because I actually care about gay rights, while for you it seems to be secondary to a political agenda.

You want to say what the Democrats did doesn't matter because the Republicans did it harder.  Despite the fact that they could only do it BECAUSE of the Democrats.

 



Zappykins said:
Kasz216 said:
Zappykins said:
BaldrSkies said:
NiKKoM said:
Geez you americans are still at this? Its been 12 years since same sex mariage in the netherlands became legal.. Heck i cant even remember at how many gay weddings i have been.. Some are already divorced!


Legalize gay marriage so studies can be conducted on the gay divorce rate!

But in all seriousness people need to take their personal religion out of politics.

The have and the ration divorce is lowest for man-woman marriages where same sex marriage is legal. (Masscults being the old US state with Same Sex Marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

Man-Man marriage have, after the same amount of time, half the divorce rate for Man-Woman marriages.

Woman-Woman marriages have about the same divorce rate of Man-Woman marriages.  But statistics show that Woman-Woman couples raise the most achieving children, and the lowest molestation rate of all couples.

I'm for gay marriage but my inner statician is screaming at me right now.

It would be way to early to conduct that kind of study in any US state.  You'd need a Europeon state where gay marriage has been around a couple decades.

Reason being, most divorces happen early on in a wedding.

So you look at gay couples right.  Just because they haven't been married, doesn't mean they haven't been living togther.  My cousin for example has been living with his partner for I don't even know, might of been longer then I could remember.

While he would of got married likely decades ago, he couldn't, and when the law passes.  He will.    Meanwhile someone who WOULD of got divorced decades ago never got married in the first place.   So essentially you've got decades worth of "Good marriages" messing up the marriage rate.

Honestly, half the divorce rate seems bad in regards to such numbers since it's an "Order of Magnitude" type thing as far as years go, however there may be a bunch of people getting married just because they're so excited they could and rushing marriages sooner.

 

That is to say if we're talking about percentage of marriages that  divorce within the first year.... and we assume gay and straight couples are the same and we just look at 2 years.   Straight people married for two yerars lets say have a 50% divorce rate.

For gay people, if gay marriage had been outlawed two years ago, and made legal again one year ago... (and wedding rates stayed the same.)  Since that first group who was going to get married is no longer around.   Gay Divorce rate should be 33%.   Just on the basis of a one year difference.


So unless controlled for intellegenetly you'd expect there to be HUGE gaps just based on the above phenomom.


To be honest i'd expect gay marriage divorce rates to end up HIGHER all thigns adjusted.  Not because of anything inherent to gay marriage, but due to all the extra stress put on same sex couples by a general homophobic culture.

Let me clarify, the studies I am referring to regarding are studying divorce rate of all couples leagally married at that marriage time to now.  So for something like 8 years in The Netherlands, and 5 in Massachusetts, as the last revision of the study was a year or two ago.  But they were looking at every year as you described.  But the numbers showed up within, the first year, and haven’t deviated significantly.

The theory is that if a male-male wants to get married, they really want to stay married.  But I honestly don’t know the reason for their lower than average divorce rate.

Yes, I could see how one would think that the divorce rate for a same sex couple would be higher, but sastically it is not the case.  

Here is another big of odd trivia – the rate of domestic assault of woman-woman couples is virtually the same man-woman according to USA police reports.

 


Right, like I said... that's the problem though.  Right now you have a lot of pent up "good marriage" demand.  So you would expect divorce rates to naturally be lower.    Really "accurate" Numbers wont be gotten for a good 15-20 years... and honestly, by then hopefully they'll be the same only because people will be more accepting of such relationships.

As for Woman/Woman marriages i'm not that surprised.   Domestic violence committed by women is lower, but violence by women is on the rise.  Add in the added stress of homophobia, the added stress of finding a new mate with like 1/10th the dating pool, greater feelings of isolation vs society... 



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Kasz216 said:


Right, like I said... that's the problem though.  Right now you have a lot of pent up "good marriage" demand.  So you would expect divorce rates to naturally be lower.    Really "accurate" Numbers wont be gotten for a good 15-20 years... and honestly, by then hopefully they'll be the same only because people will be more accepting of such relationships.

As for Woman/Woman marriages i'm not that surprised.   Domestic violence committed by women is lower, but violence by women is on the rise.  Add in the added stress of homophobia, the added stress of finding a new mate with like 1/10th the dating pool, greater feelings of isolation vs society... 

Yes, I know of same sex couples that have been together over 30 and 40 years that go married.  And a few together over 50 that did not.

But then there were also same sex couples that ran out an got married just because it became legal.  So there is that 'lets do it cause we can Vegas impulse' and I don't know how many of them are successes.  They weren’t all long term couples.

But I know the toll of not knowing if your marriage is legal or not has weighted heavily on many California couples and their families.  It has been so cruel what ‘the National Organization for Marriage’ and other have done to them, their families, and their children by tring to take away that right and their marriages.

My parents marriage (As would have Obama’s) would have been illegal in California because of the laws banning inter race marriages at the time. I really would have not liked that growing up.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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toadslayer72 said:
Why did dude get banned?


Never mind, I remembered you can look at a person's profile to see, my bad.



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Zappykins said:
Kasz216 said:
 


Right, like I said... that's the problem though.  Right now you have a lot of pent up "good marriage" demand.  So you would expect divorce rates to naturally be lower.    Really "accurate" Numbers wont be gotten for a good 15-20 years... and honestly, by then hopefully they'll be the same only because people will be more accepting of such relationships.

As for Woman/Woman marriages i'm not that surprised.   Domestic violence committed by women is lower, but violence by women is on the rise.  Add in the added stress of homophobia, the added stress of finding a new mate with like 1/10th the dating pool, greater feelings of isolation vs society... 

Yes, I know of same sex couples that have been together over 30 and 40 years that go married.  And a few together over 50 that did not.

But then there were also same sex couples that ran out an got married just because it became legal.  So there is that 'lets do it cause we can Vegas impulse' and I don't know how many of them are successes.  They weren’t all long term couples.

But I know the toll of not knowing if your marriage is legal or not has weighted heavily on many California couples and their families.  It has been so cruel what ‘the National Organization for Marriage’ and other have done to them, their families, and their children by tring to take away that right and their marriages.

My parents marriage (As would have Obama’s) would have been illegal in California because of the laws banning inter race marriages at the time. I really would have not liked that growing up.

 

And THAT Is what pisses me off the most about the current gay marriage stance of "It's a state issue."

There is a lot... and I mean... a LOT I see as state issues.

This REALLY isn't fucking one of them.  I'd like to ask Dick Cheney, Obama and the rest who take that stance "Do you think interracial marriage is a state's issue?"

Although it's highly unlikely, i'm hoping the Supreme Court might act uncharacteristically and not only strike down DOMA but legalize gay marriage nationally.

It only seems to make sense when you consider the ruling on interracial marriage.

 

It goes to show just how quickly things change that it looks like most Californians are for gay marriage now.  It makes me hopeful that things will change faster then I expect.



Zappykins said:
Slimebeast said:
Zappykins said:
BaldrSkies said:
NiKKoM said:
Geez you americans are still at this? Its been 12 years since same sex mariage in the netherlands became legal.. Heck i cant even remember at how many gay weddings i have been.. Some are already divorced!


Legalize gay marriage so studies can be conducted on the gay divorce rate!

But in all seriousness people need to take their personal religion out of politics.

The have and the ration divorce is lowest for man-woman marriages where same sex marriage is legal. (Masscults being the old US state with Same Sex Marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

Man-Man marriage have, after the same amount of time, half the divorce rate for Man-Woman marriages.

Woman-Woman marriages have about the same divorce rate of Man-Woman marriages.  But statistics show that Woman-Woman couples raise the most achieving children, and the lowest molestation rate of all couples.

Yeah right...

In Sweden and Norway, male same-sex couples have a 50% higher divorce rate than heterosexual couples, and female same-sex couples have more than double the divorce rate of heterosexuals.

You must be referring to the Gunnar Andersson, Turid Noack, Ane Seierstad & Harald Weedon-Fekjær study. Yes, same sex couples have a harder time in Sweden and Norway - but the study you are silting is looking as domestic registered couples vs married hetero sexual couples where at least one is a parent.  Domestic Partnerships are not the same as marriage, and requiring a rising a child for a hetro married couple is not making an equal sample.

It would have been more interesting if they included the parent requirement for all couples.

 

All right, I agree those are crucial factors for the statistical outcome.

You know your stuff.



Slimebeast said:
Zappykins said:

You must be referring to the Gunnar Andersson, Turid Noack, Ane Seierstad & Harald Weedon-Fekjær study. Yes, same sex couples have a harder time in Sweden and Norway - but the study you are silting is looking as domestic registered couples vs married hetero sexual couples where at least one is a parent.  Domestic Partnerships are not the same as marriage, and requiring a rising a child for a hetro married couple is not making an equal sample.

It would have been more interesting if they included the parent requirement for all couples.

 

All right, I agree those are crucial factors for the statistical outcome.

You know your stuff.

Thanks man!  And thanks for keeping me on my toes - I have to stay current on all this stuff.

(Offers Slimebeast a tasty treat.)



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!