it takes time to tap into the power of any system. at the end of PS4s life we will most likely see Avatar graphics

Unreal Tournament was the only ps2 fps game avaliable on launch. Let's take Halo CE for example

I think the real jump will be in physics

PS4 to PS3 gap > PS3 to PS2 gap

Epic said to me and I agree.

The first games for PS3/360 was in the same level or below the top games for PS2/XBOX... not the first games for PS3 are better than top PS3/360 games.

Edit - lol at the comments here... the gap is bigger.

And hopefully AI.

not as big on screenshots but as big when you play the game. on screenshots you don't recognize jaggies so much or bad shadows/lighting. on screenshots you see the details of a face but you don't see how the emotions look better with better tech. on screenshots you don't see if 30fps or 60fps makes a difference but you will recognize it when you play. next gen will be more a "play it to see it" and not so much a "look at the screen to see the improvements"

same with physics and hopefully a.i.

haha i don't believe that bolded part

Exactly. Not that big of a jump for PS4, I think most agree here.

Kinda how I feel

Killzone PS2

Killzone 2 PS3

Killzone 3 PS3

Killzone Shadow Fall PS4

IMO it looks like Killzone 1 to Killzone 3 is equal to Killzone 3 to Killzone Shadow Fall. That is late PS2 to late PS3 graphical improvment, looking the same as late PS3 to pre launch PS4. This should be where we expected PS4 to look 5 years in, and we have in pre day one. This will be the same case with 360 if the rumors are true. These games already look this good pre launch, pre final specs, and we have not see all the big dogs show their hand. We still have Crytek, Naughty Dog, 343, Santa Monica, Turn 10, Polyphony, Dice, and many more left to show what they are doing. 

One last thought. If it is true that devs were expecting 4GB, these PS4 games may even be low balling it. With devs seemingly having had access to 8GB + 32MB ESRAM  on the XB3 for a while now, we may see even more impressive things when MS unviels it in the coming months or weeks. 

Like I said in my last post, lets do this again after E3, and I'll also call for one post launch. I think many will have quite different opinions at that point in time.

Well I guess everyone percieves things differently, I didn't notice that texture pop in, but regardless that's still leaps and bounds ahead of the pop in I've experienced on 360/PS3 games, and the graphics still look significantly better.

To me X looked like a big jump from this gen and KZSF looked no better.

Also like you said, we're looking at X Alpha gameplay, that pop-in might not exist when the game is released.

As for my comparision of KZ3 to KZSF, I'm trying to emphasis a point. The Jump we see from KZ3 to Shadow Fall does exceed the capabilities of the PS3, but the jump isn't that huge as to us noticing much of a difference. From what I've seen the jump from KZ2 to KZ3 is nearly as big. My arguement is that PS4 games so far look like a continuation of PS3 games, meaning that early PS4 sequels do not look that much better then late PS3 entries.

Obviously late PS4 games will look better then late PS3 games, but on the same token they will only look slightly better then early PS4 games, which look slightly better then late PS3 games. We've reached the point in graphics where improvements are make in small increments. It's been like that for the past 7 years, and it looks like that might continue for the next 5 or 6.

There are no fade problems



Look Grass at the mouth of that dinosaur, that's a good 200 plus meters away, so I just showed you wrong.

If you're going to complain about the minor grass pop in shown in the above youtube link, then you're being nit picky. KZSF also shows a lot of blurryness when the guy climbs up the wall and starts to shoot over it. Don't think there is a FPS drop, but the resolution doesn't look as good as when the fire-fight first starts.

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Anyway no point arguing, both games are in Alpha or pre-Alpha Stages. I don't expect you to agree with me that Wii U looks as good a PS4, that's your opinion, but don't completely disgard Wii U just because you personally feel (or want to believe) that PS4 is a clear cut level above it. Not everyone shares that opinion.