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IsawYoshi on 26 February 2013
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So Nintendo copied Sony copying Nintendo.

Mind-blown.

Sony revolutionised it and paved the way for Nintendo. hehe


I don't know if you're serious or not, but you should now that the WiiU gamepad took a few years of planning and designing and wasn't thrown together after Sony showed the PSVita/PS3 remoteplay.

The same can be said about Move...

Well, the guy who made the wii remote approached sony first, but they said no, so my guess is that the move was something that at least was not supposed to be realized if the wii didn't do well.

OMFG really?

today http://kotaku.com/5986072/sony-and-nintendo-best-friends-forever

Made that crap and people still think Sony copied the Move controller after the WiiMote..lol

check this out:

this guy claimed this:

"They didn't invent a method for their motion control. They copied a method that had been created before them. That's not inventive or innovative. Sony didn't imitate Nintendo with the Wiimote they imitated the guy who made it."

My response:

the guy who made it was employed @ Sony!!!! this was Sony R&D LABS, HE HAS MULTIPLE Patents on the control scheme for pete's sake!

you know who else was at that 2000 siggraph event? Nintendo!

http://www.siggraph.org/s2000/conference/career/companies.html

Now your just pulling out crap out of your @ss, how do i know?

Well its very freaking simple. DR. marks in 2000 showed off the working Move concept with a working prototype software with a wand control scheme a wand with a multi- colored ball @ this is one freaking full year before gyration pitched the idea to Nintendo in 2001!

http://www.siggraph.org/s2000/online/emerging/

see for your self 3rd down picture on the left!

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Richard Marks

here is the freaking PDF:

http://lukasz.dk/mirror/research-scea/research/pdfs/SIGGRAPHetech2000.pdf

that is one full frwaking year before Nintendo got their pitch, hmm did they get the idea from Sony? Nope, Nintendo never does that! LOL

oh' what's that a wand with a big colored ball with motion control gaming from a freaking PS2 prototype! ONE FULL YEAR BEFORE NINTENDO EVEN GOT THE PITCH FROM http://www.gyration.com/

so by that you heard it here first folk's Nintendo also invented Time Travel and DR. who is ripping off from Nintendo now also/ LMAO

 

Move cost more for the components, just like Kinect the cost vs' what the components were for the WiiMote was just too d@mn expensive for mass market price, hell even Nintendo had to wait for WiiMotion+

Both Microsoft and Sony had to wait, Nintendo did not because the cost's were far cheaper for their motion technology!

Well. Calm down. I never said that nintendo invented the wii mote. What I said was that they approached sony, but they didn't want it, which is true. The man had a presentation for a sony boss and the boss never looked at him (as far as I can remeber). I am not saying that sony didn't have the tech, but sony didn't do it first. If you use your brain a bit, you might realize that sony might just have put out the move because the wii went so well. Sure, they had the tecnology, but that didn't mean that they believed in it's profitability before the wii.



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kljesta64 on 26 February 2013

there was another guy who said the same thing about the wiimote that it was his invention and he tried to sue nintendo he even had a video on youtube showing it.

then again nintendo stated long ago that it was their idea inspired by a tv remote etc..someone is lying or 2 guys and nintendo had the same idea at the same time :D



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kljesta64 on 26 February 2013

i think it was this guy im not sure was long ago :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLhSrSxFNw

 

yes its that guy : http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080115/002305.shtml



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joeorc on 26 February 2013
kljesta64 said:
gameboy was the first handheld device including mobile phones that had a camera :D

i was an add-on but still they done it first

TRY AGAIN:

The Game Boy Camera was released in 1998

well Handspring Beat Nintendo to the Punch

http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/5781/Handspring-Visor-deluxe/

the Game boy camera did have the 1999 edition of Guinness World Records for being the world's smallest digital camera though



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Trunkin on 26 February 2013
kljesta64 said:

i think it was this guy im not sure was long ago :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLhSrSxFNw

 

yes its that guy : http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080115/002305.shtml


He must be swimming in cash now.



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joeorc on 26 February 2013
IsawYoshi said:
 

Well. Calm down. I never said that nintendo invented the wii mote. What I said was that they approached sony, but they didn't want it, which is true. The man had a presentation for a sony boss and the boss never looked at him (as far as I can remeber). I am not saying that sony didn't have the tech, but sony didn't do it first. If you use your brain a bit, you might realize that sony might just have put out the move because the wii went so well. Sure, they had the tecnology, but that didn't mean that they believed in it's profitability before the wii.

and i showed that in 2000 DR. marks showed off the "working" concept on PS2 prototype hardware, at that time gyration 

had their concept on a board, drawing's IE: no proof of concept prototype they  pitched the Idea to Nintendo in 2001, so ask your self what seem's more likley that Sony could not do their Move and release it then for a resonable cost or that Nintendo could release quicker because it was cheaper?

attached to a cheaper system, than Sony would have with Move added to the cost of the already high cost of the PS3.

they sent out on the PS2 before the PS3 was even made camera motion control gaming this is about trend's notice something it was not just Nintendo, More companies aside from Nintendo were working on Motion control systems for entertainment at the Time Nintendo was able to release first.

You do not spend all that R&D money and just scrap it if the concept works! How could Sony release the Move durring 2006 at a cheap enough price to pull off what Nintendo did with the WiiMote, simple they could not because the price would have been too high a cost they had no other choice but to wait because it was too expensive. so Sony kept working on it until they could release it when it was cheap enough.

another example how many smartphones and Tablets have HDMI output even before the WiiU released? plenty what is the trend right now ?

Mobile devices direct connection to a living room Hub 2nd screen gameing was not just Nintendo the concept was by many companies. Im not saying Nintendo is not innovative, what i am saying that innovation does not mean other's who are inventing is  down right setting a copy of Nintendo's concept for innovation because your not copying something you invent. Innovation is not mean other's are copying your concept, but that's what many gamer's seem to think.

   

Necessity is the mother of invention

Prov. When people really need to do something, they will figure out a way to do it. When the fan belt on Linda's car broke in the middle of the desert, Linda used her stockings as a replacement. Necessity is the mother of invention.
So if a guy use his belt instead does that mean he just copy Linda's technique? no he just  used a Belt to fix the same  problem even though someone did the fixing first does not mean the other copied. they both came to the same conclusion to the problem. though the belt has more durability than the stocking in most cases for such a problem.


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Pavolink on 26 February 2013

Yeah but who invented videogames is a better question.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 26 February 2013

people see what they want to see mate.



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joeorc on 26 February 2013
Pavolink said:
Yeah but who invented videogames is a better question.

well that depends on who you ask:

In 1971,  created by Nolan Bushnell and Ted Dabney, was the first commercially sold, coin-operated video game.

but before they did it , there was other's who did video game simulation type of game's on govt, university computing stations

Spacewar!

was created @ MIT in 1961

and Before that


Tennis for Two that was in 1958!

Nintendo was set to distribut rights to the magnavox Odyssey in japan in 1974



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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 February 2013
zero129 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
zero129 said:
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kljesta64 said:
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kljesta64 said:
gameboy was the first handheld device including mobile phones that had a camera :D

i was an add-on but still they done it first


My friend had it, but it was nothing like what Sony created. It took shitty pixelated pictures and had your face in games and stuff. Sony started camera based motion gaming. Nintendo started their own version of motion gaming, but Sonys style of it was still the first of their kind. If Nintendo was such a tech genius, Sony would never be in the gaming industry remember that.

its newer tech what did you expect ? :S and its still copying no matter how you put it

this is not a trial were you can spin words however you like :D


Thats not copying. Copying is making an exact replica of what someone patented which is why theres something called a copyright. Creating a device that takes pictures and prints them out isn't what Sony was doing at all. Kinect taking what the eyetoy did and pushing it is inspiration, but at the same time if Sony hadn't been in contact with Primesense Microsoft would've never given them the time of day. Analog sticks being used in gaming by everyone? That was applied after the popularity of joysticks, but no one considered it copying since Nintendo did it. It's called evolution, so get with it.

So why then did Sony wait until Nintendo included them with the N64 to bring out their own joypad with analog sticks? was it too expensive for them to add before this??.

Why is the PS joypad pretty much based off a snes joypad with ABYX changed for X, Squre, Circle, triangle??

Why did sony only add rumble after Nintendo did? etc etc.

Pretty much why has Sony waited for Nintendo do do something new with controlls first before they do it??.


Sony used the dual shock to control the X, Y axis, which pushed the idea Nintendo used initially with the N64. Microsoft did as well in the same gen and its so funny no on ever mentions them because they both did it. Before Nintendo people used Joysticks for flight simulators, arcade games and things of that sort. Anything that works for gaming in general should be used. Everyones using Microsoft's triggers now for FPS and racing.  Nintendo laid down the ground work for many companies to create tech over controls which they have already become accustomed. No one has taken away from Nintendo, but Nintendo can be inspired by others as well. Times are changing.

As far as i remember joysticks where not analogue or at least the ones i used in arcades wasnt.

So you admit Sony took Nintendos Analog and rumble idea and ran with it??.


Nintendo used the analog stick no different than one would use a joystick on the N64 controller, but rather it focused more on controlling the camera and it had a directional pad. It was bad for fighters though so people stuck to the directional pad. Sony took it a step further by using two analogs instead of Nintendos one for smooth X and Y axis control. As I said...they took what Nintendo did a step further, copying is to do the same thing. Soon after Microsoft did what Sony did because it was a better idea and switched the direction, so it has a far more accurate alignment with the X and Y axis. I agree that the rumble idea was used, so yes.