Since apparantlly you missed it the first time: You're right, it's much more likely some 36 year old guy with no education knows what the universe consists of than the accumulated knowledge of the top scientists in the world. In fact, you probably are the most knowledgable guy about everything, who even needs to do research, they can just ask you instead!

Or to put it bluntly: learn some modesty, do you really think you know more about this stuff than the accumulated knowledge of an entire scientific field?

Read my post again.

Dark matter is a proven thing. It was a theory, it was tested, it exists. 

Are you calling the scientific method "silly reasoning"?

You might as well be saying "gravity haha, what a joke" - that's what dark matter is at this point. It's PROVEN. It is a FACT.

Scientists theorize testable things, otherwise there'd be no point. The bible is a book that has no scientific merit. I hope you understand the clear difference.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

Honestly, yes, there is no difference,...well almost none, because I, like many religious people, believe that it takes much more 'belief' or 'faith', what you guys seem to happily call UNKNOWS or POSSIBILITIES, to believe that there is no God and that this Universe is a result of some random event.

While science is able to prove things as it goes along century by century, during its journey of finding things out it MUST apply some form of unscientific belief, which is no different than a person reading the bible and believing in the events recorded therein.

So you trying to tell me that it's easier to belief in some inexplainable Dark Matter than it is to believe that Jesus lived? Answer this as well, How did the human race begin, was there a single person from which all people came from, or where there two original persons, or however you would like to explain it?

that about two thousand years ago a man named Jesus lived and did tthings, things so profound that made people believe he was God, even to the point that two thousand years later people still believe.

lol, you trying to get person dude, I'm far more educated than you are I'm sure. Just tell me how many University, Post Graduate, and Industry Related honours you have. Just tell me the number no specifics

Plus, I got more common sense than you do, so I can accept both science and religion So yes I am smarter than you at the least who seem to be so one dimentional in accepting science but discounting religion. But I never said I know more about science than any scientist, what I'm saying is that you must also believe in unknowns just as much as religious people do.

For example, if you belive in Dark Matter, please explain where it came from and what it is made of. what does it do? You MUST at some point of your explanation apply some unknowns and theory or belief - so why can't religious people do the same when believing in God and the Bible? 

1: What? Science doesn't say why the universe exists. It says how it came to exist. You're asking a philosophical belief. Also, I never said there was no God.

2: No it doesn't. Science only claims things as true only when proven. If there's something which cannot currently be proven, then scientists just admit they don't have the answers at the moment, which is a lot better than pretending you have the answers by making assumptions.

3. What? I never said Jesus didn't live. Where are you getting this stuff? As for how the human race began, what does that have to do with anything?

4. That's your reasoning for believing in every single detail in the Bible? Because it includes  a man that made people believe he was a God? From that you conclude that everything in the Bible is true?

The biggest difference between science and religion is the fact that science basis its facts and theories based off of predictability. And as human knowledge grows, some theories are tossed out in favor of better theories. For that science is able to become more and more accurate of the world we live in. The facts in religion are assumed to be irrefutably true and can never be challenged or amended even when new knowledge comes along; all based solely on faith.

You can really do your own research. But after one  minute on Wikipedia, I found this: "its (Dark Matter) existence and properties are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, radiation, and the large-scale structure of the universe"

You can even read more about it if you'd like, in order to get a greater understanding for why people believe Dark Matter exists. Now where is the equivalent reasoning for belief in a God?

As I've stated before, not a lot of things in this World can truely be explained. For example, why did man create Religion. And why did he create the Big Bang theory? If I can account both of these as truths since no knowledge can be obtained as to why it happened.  And each opposing side appears to believe the other.   Both can be viewed as true. There is no predicability on this one Either both are right, or both are wrong. The belief in the existence of Dark Matter is no more different to the belief in God. If neither can be proved wrong, they are, in their own virtue, a gospel truth. And science doesn't exactly prove anything.

Sure after studying the life of plants we humans have deducted that it's Sun, seeds, water and other organisms that causes them to grow. Can Science explain why this happens? And if so, can they explain how that happened? See? Like I've said, It's just gonna go on forever And I think it's truely ashame that after all the Religions man has adopted, people are trying to say that it was based on premativity? Sure sounds loco if you ask me.   I've said that to say this, If some study of modern life can determine how the World began (This is just for arguement's sake, honestly how are we to believe something that happened so long ago, before our existance and without much to back it up?) That still doesn't explain why it happened. 

Granted, the same could be done with Religion, that being said, I've stated that to show how laughable the Science vs Religion debate stands with me and many others.  If someone said, "Hey, I don't think there's a God", I could understand that and respect it, but trying to debate it with these external science "facts" and that we're now ignorant to believe in God because we now know how our World works a little better.  It's just a couple of squirrels shy of a nut house, if you ask me.

Here's something else that Science and man will never truely be able to understand nor label, Why can't we all be like animals with disregard for no one but our selfs? And how come most every culture has the same basis as to what is right and what is wrong? Where is this decided in our DNA? :p

And for those out there who say we adopted Religion because of a fear of death if we truely feared death to a point of yielding to an unknown  force, why is it that Ancient Egytians, believed in both God and reincarnation? In fact, lots of Ancients believed in reincarnation,  like the Mayans So my analogy is this, believing in God has no correlation with the fear of death. You people just come off as opinionated to me.

Surely we do know more about our surrondings than before, but we still can't determine where our minds go after we die, and if we are truely being reborned into other vessels or we just stay in limbo, or go to Heaven or Hell. And that Big Bang Theory...If we existed by chance, and there was no God, then how come the realization of God came to us before that theory? That just sounds like a mad (albiet, intellegent) person trying to make humans play God to me.

And if my post sounds offensive or demeaning, that surely wasn't my intention as I respect all beliefs (Not believing is also a belief!) and only wish for others to do the same.

Also, nice note DaRev! They can't disregard some logics and accept others!

What are you talking about? Really? If something in science is proven wrong, then it's wrong and we start all over again. Just look at evolution. The THEORY is over 150 years old, and thus far we have ONLY found evidence that life actually works this way; the theory of evolution has been able to withstand scrutiny for well over 100 years, and is therefore considered a fact. We still have gaps in it, but it explains the origin of life far better than any religious text has been able to do so far. Science do not blindly believe a theory; it is scrutinized, tested and debated. If the theory holds up after all that, then it's the closet to the truth we've gotten so far. If we were to scrutinize, test and debate the creation in the bible we'd pretty soon find that THAT theory doesn't hold up very well.

Asking WHY things happened is a whole different field. That's more of a philosophical question rather than a scientific one. Science try to get the answer as to HOW things happened, not why. But on some instances we actually DO KNOW why as well. Just look at the Theory of Relativity.

And science CAN actually tell us why we behave like we do and why every society has the same moral basis. It's actually very closely related to evolution. You can watch a whole bunch of documentaries about this on youtube.

And could the reason be, as to why people want to believe in reincarnation and/or the paradise, is because they don't want THIS life to end? Of course people don't wanna die and be left in the ground for the rest of time. I don't wanna die and have nothing happening after that. That was really a stupid argument. If I promised you that when you die you'll go to a wonderful place, have as much cake as you want to and all the women you can enjoy - of course you WANT to believe that rather than listening to the guy down the street saying "this is all we got, when you die there's nothingness".

In the beginning, like 100 000 years ago, when men first started to walk the Earth and looked upon the sky with its stars, and the moon, and the sun - what were they to make of all this? They had no telescopes, they had no satellites they could send into orbit, and they no understanding of the physical laws. What they DID have (and still does) was imagination, so they used this imagination as best they could to try to make some sort of cohesive context of all this mess - and thus, religion was born. Also, religion is a pretty good way to make people do like you want them to do.

And I don't find the existence of a god to be logical. It would make for a very petty god if you ask me. I've never seen anything that is as evil as the abrahamic god. Not even Hitler or Stalin stands a chance against god! I'd rather much have Odin and Thor, or Zeus and Apollo.

It's perfectly clear that you have no understanding of how the scientific method works and how it is completely different from religion. If you do have an academic science degree then your education has failed you greatly. And for the record: yes, I do have a PhD (in Social Psychology).

Hmmmmm proof.  As someone said before in this very thread, proof is sometimes subjective.  What I can give you isn't absolute proof that could be accepted by a court but rather proof that proves to me the probability of there existing a God and that his religion is that of the Muslim religion.  So where do I start with you?

You seem to be an Atheist, correct?  If that is the case I can't simply point out the contradictions in the Jewish and Christian Religions and say how the Quran fixes them after they have been changed.  The only way one can prove something like this to you would be to begin with trying to prove that God exists in the first place.

I think the best way to do this is to apply a certain concept which I feel most scientists ignore.  People believe what they see, correct?  Ok granted it doesn't have to be literal seeing, it could be feeling or tasting or hearing ect... But, in the end our Universe is filled with things that we understand, and things that we don't understand.  But we only understand what we can see. 

Let me try to explain myself better.  If we lived in a universe where water was a gas and not liquid.  would ANYONE say, you know, water because of its strange atom composition should be a liquid because the Hydrogen bonds would form small bonds with Oxygen of different molecules turing it from a gas to a liquid?  No, why?  Becayse that is what he had observed in that universe and it wouldn't even occur to us that it could (or even should) be something different.

Everyone talks about how science has given us answers and yet, can they, through knowledge of math and logic ALONE figure out the secrets of the Universe?  Impossible, why?  Because the Universe doesn't follow a logical pattern, everything we know, we know it because we have seen in and studied it, physics is physics because that is what we have studied.  Now, it is impossible to break the spead of light.  Tomorrow that might change, on that same day, rules, application, concepts ect...Will change with it. 

So in the end, what gave our Universe shape and structure?  What gave the Earth that perfect balance of minerals, energy, landscapes, a speed of rotation that can support life. AND THEN gave us that spark for life to begin?  Coincidence? It is possible, but still let me continue

Ok, let me put it another way.  Stephen Hawking once said that the creating of the Universe from nothing was inevitable.  He is a man far more intelligent and learned than I so I will assume that what he says is true.  But why did the Universe end up this way?  Why aren't the laws of chemistry and physics backwards?  How did a Universe so large, so vast, so uninhabiting, create the perfect, absolute perfect conditions for the rise of life, AND THEN that life created intelligent life capable of studying and (to an exent) understanding its own origins and begin to wonder how we can leave the confines of our planet and start journeys to other worlds.....ALL IN THE SPACE OF 1 MILLION YEARS (in other words a milisecond by universe standards).

There is plenty of things that I can give form the Quran, like (my brother knew a bunch) how it talks about the Earth being Oval shaped or egg shaped, about how it new that pain is felt in the nerve sensors which are located no deeper than the skin. And....curse my memory....The amount of scientific facts it has had that has no right not be in a book from that period is incredible. How it has so much from the Jewish and Christian religions but not from what they became, but rather their origins.  How the prophet (an uneducated man) could never have created such a fantastic book with the kind of style and pros to make the masters of the art weep without ever have written anything of his own before, and his method of speech was completely different.

I've talked about these things before but obviously they wouldn't interest you without that simple belief that there is a god in the first place.  My proof is that when I look around me, I see Earth.  A planet that, normally, would have an incredible ecosystem, one of perfect balance until humans came along and broke the laws of that balance.  I see humans which will do acts of kindness and selflessness that could never be expected from animals and then I see acts of cruelty that could never be imitated by them.  We are very simmialr to animals in some respects but its these few things, our extremes, our applications of intelligence, our attempts to learn and better ourselves that are so far removed from animal instinct that one has to wonder, was Darwin correct?  Are we evolved from apes?  Or, was it that he believed that we evolved from something, looked around and found apes so simillar and said "AH that must be it"?

Maybe it is my own fear that there is nothing after death, I will grant you that.  But I see proof.  I haven't seen God, he doesn't come and chat with me regularly.  You might find it strange that I believe in something whose effects aren't........measurable for lack of a better word.  But I find it stranger that just because you can't find proof of it, or enough proof, you immiediatly assume it is false even though there is no proof to the contrary.

I apologize, I know I haven't proven it in the way that you had wanted or asked for.  I myself am limited in my knowledge in my own religion.  But I hope you will at least think about some of these questions and look at the world and people around you and ask yourself, did all of this REALLY come from nothing?