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DaRev on 14 February 2013
Chrizum said:
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dsgrue3 said:
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I readly that link, and what an absolute crack of shit its. Some dude looks up in black ass space and comes back and says, its Dark Matter/Energy lol, no shit Sherlock! Good thing he didn't call it Universal Matter.

Then in the end he says "The findings of the 2011 Nobel Laureates in Physics have helped to unveil a Universe that to a large extent is unknown to science,” the Nobel Assembly wrote. “And everything is possible again.” Now if that does sound like a shit load of, 'we looked up in the Sky and saw some shit which we never seen before and don't know what the hell it is, but we'll like to tell you about it before anyone else does', I don't know what that whole article was about. Absolutely nothing concrete, no eveidence of how the Universe was created just a shit storm of UNKOWNS and POSSIBILITIES lol.

Do you mock everything you don't understand in order to feel as though you aren't ignorant? I mean that's what I see.

Dark Matter was theorized, then proven, what it's comprised of no one knows - but we know it's there, and it isn't "nothing".

I made no mention of the creation of the universe, not sure why you've spontaneously brought it to my attention. Is this the extent of your coherence?

Mock, no, I apply the same silly reasoning that people like you apply to anything about the Bible. You think its ok for scientist to theorise out their ass but when people theorist about the Bible and God you make fun or them, saying that they believe if fairytales etc, lol.

Scientist use lofty terms that don't mean shit (sometime), but make it look like some sort of fact, get that crap out of here, Dark Matter my ass! Its all just a bunch theories where you still have to apply the same belief or faith that you mock religious people for having - talking about what is UNKNOWN and what is POSSIBLE, there lots of unknows and possibilities in the Bible to my friend why don't you believing in that to?

Since apparantlly you missed it the first time: You're right, it's much more likely some 36 year old guy with no education knows what the universe consists of than the accumulated knowledge of the top scientists in the world. In fact, you probably are the most knowledgable guy about everything, who even needs to do research, they can just ask you instead!

Or to put it bluntly: learn some modesty, do you really think you know more about this stuff than the accumulated knowledge of an entire scientific field?

lol, you trying to get person dude, I'm far more educated than you are I'm sure. Just tell me how many University, Post Graduate, and Industry Related honours you have. Just tell me the number no specifics

Plus, I got more common sense than you do, so I can accept both science and religion So yes I am smarter than you at the least who seem to be so one dimentional in accepting science but discounting religion. But I never said I know more about science than any scientist, what I'm saying is that you must also believe in unknowns just as much as religious people do.

For example, if you belive in Dark Matter, please explain where it came from and what it is made of. what does it do? You MUST at some point of your explanation apply some unknowns and theory or belief - so why can't religious people do the same when believing in God and the Bible? 

It's perfectly clear that you have no understanding of how the scientific method works and how it is completely different from religion. If you do have an academic science degree then your education has failed you greatly. And for the record: yes, I do have a PhD (in Social Psychology).

Right back at you son, as you clearly have no understanding of how faith and religion works, so that Social Psychology degree seems to be worthless. You remind me of Nicodemus who was a very smart man in Jesus time and Jesus said to him:

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]

That sounds like you pal, wise in your own conceits. A whole lot of knowlege that at the end of the day means nothing - you know what you know and that's all you know. You look and Nature, and things on the Earth and things above the Earth and miss that there is something other than Science at work, and think you are wise. So, here is yet another reason why I believe in the bible, because I clearly talks about wise men like you, lol. By the way, I'm a Lawyer, Masters in Corpoarte and Business Law, a Trust and Estate Practitioner and a Christian.



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DaRev on 14 February 2013
Jay520 said:

DaRev said:

1. Honestly, yes, there is no difference,...well almost none, because I, like many religious people, believe that it takes much more 'belief' or 'faith', what you guys seem to happily call UNKNOWS or POSSIBILITIES, to believe that there is no God and that this Universe is a result of some random event.

2. While science is able to prove things as it goes along century by century, during its journey of finding things out it MUST apply some form of unscientific belief, which is no different than a person reading the bible and believing in the events recorded therein.

3. So you trying to tell me that it's easier to belief in some inexplainable Dark Matter than it is to believe that Jesus lived? Answer this as well, How did the human race begin, was there a single person from which all people came from, or where there two original persons, or however you would like to explain it?

4. that about two thousand years ago a man named Jesus lived and did tthings, things so profound that made people believe he was God, even to the point that two thousand years later people still believe.


1: What? Science doesn't say why the universe exists. It says how it came to exist. You're asking a philosophical belief. Also, I never said there was no God.

2: No it doesn't. Science only claims things as true only when proven. If there's something which cannot currently be proven, then scientists just admit they don't have the answers at the moment, which is a lot better than pretending you have the answers by making assumptions.

3. What? I never said Jesus didn't live. Where are you getting this stuff? As for how the human race began, what does that have to do with anything?

4. That's your reasoning for believing in every single detail in the Bible? Because it includes  a man that made people believe he was a God? From that you conclude that everything in the Bible is true?

The biggest difference between science and religion is the fact that science basis its facts and theories based off of predictability. And as human knowledge grows, some theories are tossed out in favor of better theories. For that science is able to become more and more accurate of the world we live in. The facts in religion are assumed to be irrefutably true and can never be challenged or amended even when new knowledge comes along; all based solely on faith.

1) ….? OK, I’m not going to argue for argument sake. My advice to you is that God is not found in a science book.

2) Pal, science BELIEVES in unknowns and possibilities clearly, as if it didn’t, there wouldn’t be any reason to go out and prove anything since everything would already be known. Science must believe in UNKOWNS to drive it forward in its pursuit of understanding how things work or how they came to be. Therefore you must believe in an unknown, the Universe expanding, to eventually prove it as a true or not.

3) It has everything to do with what we are discussing, because the Bible says where the human race came from, unscientifically I might add, which ultimately is connected to whether what’s written therein is from man or from God, as man cannot write evidence of creation when he himself was created. In essence, my question is then, does Science have a better our more plausible explanation? All you science geeks seem to claim that it does, well, let’s hear it. Is a monkey your ancient grandmother, or did your ancestor crawl out of a cesspit, or were they wonderfully created in the image of God?  

4) Sorry, I forgot to delete that bit before I posted it. In any event, since you posted some questions, I would say that Jesus, so far as Christianity is concerned, is out Higgs Particle o_O  Anyways, if you’re able to discount Jesus, then the whole of Christianity falls apart. So forget all the 66 books all the teaching principles and all that, Jesus is from Genesis to Revelation, the beginning and the end of the Bible, if Jesus is not true then the Bible is not!



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dsgrue3 on 14 February 2013
DaRev said:

Honestly, yes, there is no difference,...well almost none, because I, like many religious people, believe that it takes much more 'belief' or 'faith', what you guys seem to happily call UNKNOWS or POSSIBILITIES, to believe that there is no God and that this Universe is a result of some random event.

While science is able to prove things as it goes along century by century, during its journey of finding things out it MUST apply some form of unscientific belief, which is no different than a person reading the bible and believing in the events recorded therein.

So you trying to tell me that it's easier to belief in some inexplainable Dark Matter than it is to believe that Jesus lived? Answer this as well, How did the human race begin, was there a single person from which all people came from, or where there two original persons, or however you would like to explain it?

 

that about two thousand years ago a man named Jesus lived and did tthings, things so profound that made people believe he was God, even to the point that two thousand years later people still believe.

Your devotion to ignorance is truly astounding. Several people, including myself, have now informed you that Dark Matter isn't an unknown, it was theorized and proven to exist. How you can compare a fact to a belief system and call them the same is true dedication to your quest to omit knowledge from becoming imbued in yourself. 

You question the scientific method which has brought forth nearly every scientific and technological advancement of mankind, and fail to see the issues with a Bible that wrote about a man named Jesus for which there is not a shred of contemporary evidence. Just another fable, the rest of us aren't as clueless as you, bud. 

There's no way you have any degree in science, logic, mathematics, engineering since you clearly lack any ability to reason.

Fireforgey said:

Hmmmmm proof.  As someone said before in this very thread, proof is sometimes subjective. 

Proof is not subjective in the context of science. In order to be proven, it must first be testable and repeatable. Meaning anyone can repeat your experiment(s) to affirm the outcome (proof).



DanneSandin on 14 February 2013
dsgrue3 said:

 

 

 

There's no idea arguing with these fellas. Just give it up. Better go after their children ;)



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miz1q2w3e on 14 February 2013
spurgeonryan said:
miz1q2w3e said:
Tagging for later.

Did you ever come back?

Multiple people wrote the Bible. Just like someone wrote the epic of Gilgamesh.

I only tagged the thread for the video, cuz I didn't wanna waste bandwidth during the daytime. I watched it later that night. I didn't care for the discussion that was inevitably going to follow, and even if I did I usually only lurk in threads like these.

What are you doing in here? :p



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DaRev on 14 February 2013
dsgrue3 said:
DaRev said:

Honestly, yes, there is no difference,...well almost none, because I, like many religious people, believe that it takes much more 'belief' or 'faith', what you guys seem to happily call UNKNOWS or POSSIBILITIES, to believe that there is no God and that this Universe is a result of some random event.

While science is able to prove things as it goes along century by century, during its journey of finding things out it MUST apply some form of unscientific belief, which is no different than a person reading the bible and believing in the events recorded therein.

So you trying to tell me that it's easier to belief in some inexplainable Dark Matter than it is to believe that Jesus lived? Answer this as well, How did the human race begin, was there a single person from which all people came from, or where there two original persons, or however you would like to explain it?

 

that about two thousand years ago a man named Jesus lived and did tthings, things so profound that made people believe he was God, even to the point that two thousand years later people still believe.

Your devotion to ignorance is truly astounding. Several people, including myself, have now informed you that Dark Matter isn't an unknown, it was theorized and proven to exist. How you can compare a fact to a belief system and call them the same is true dedication to your quest to omit knowledge from becoming imbued in yourself. 

You question the scientific method which has brought forth nearly every scientific and technological advancement of mankind, and fail to see the issues with a Bible that wrote about a man named Jesus for which there is not a shred of contemporary evidence. Just another fable, the rest of us aren't as clueless as you, bud. 

There's no way you have any degree in science, logic, mathematics, engineering since you clearly lack any ability to reason.

Fireforgey said:

Hmmmmm proof.  As someone said before in this very thread, proof is sometimes subjective. 

 

Proof is not subjective in the context of science. In order to be proven, it must first be testable and repeatable. Meaning anyone can repeat your experiment(s) to affirm the outcome (proof).

 

Sorry I got hit a nerve pal, next time you should not respond to anything I say, how about that? But while you're sorting that mess out, let me reitterate to you that I have no qualms with Science - I'm simply apply the same reasoning and (dis)respect you apply to the Bible and the subject of religion When you show respect for religion maybe (I'm not making any promises) then I would show respect for your Dark Matter. You want me to sit here an have you shit all over the Bible, lol, tough, aint happening today pal, try me sometime next week after I've been to Church on Sundy, until then show some respect for religion and the Bible and God or stop responding to my post or come back for more, your choice.



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DaRev on 14 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
dsgrue3 said:
 
 

 

 

 

There's no idea arguing with these fellas. Just give it up. Better go after their children ;)

I just read your sig regarding 'an eye for an eye', I bet you are so ignorant about the Bible and the context of how it means for that passage to be used that you just post it in your sig because your feeble mind thinks its some cool shit to post in a sig - right?



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dsgrue3 on 14 February 2013
DaRev said:

Sorry I got hit a nerve pal, next time you should not respond to anything I say, how about that? But while you're sorting that mess out, let me reitterate to you that I have no qualms with Science - I'm simply apply the same reasoning and (dis)respect you apply to the Bible and the subject of religion When you show respect for religion maybe (I'm not making any promises) then I would show respect for your Dark Matter. You want me to sit here an have you shit all over the Bible, lol, tough, aint happening today pal, try me sometime next week after I've been to Church on Sundy, until then show some respect for religion and the Bible and God or stop responding to my post or come back for more, your choice.

When you lose an argument and then respond by saying "sorry I hit a nerve" it really shows a lack of cognizance.

It's truly sad that your education has failed you so fantastically. Science isn't a belief system, it's devoid of beliefs. It's testable, it's reproducable, it's provable. None of these things are comparable to faith.

I couldn't care less whether you "believe" in dark matter - it is proven to exist. You might as well be saying "The sun doesn't exist" right now - it's just hilarious at this point that you fail to grasp this concept.

Religion isn't worthy of respect in matters of science or logic as it contains none.

Once again, start reading: http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/



DanneSandin on 14 February 2013
DaRev said:
DanneSandin said:
dsgrue3 said:
 
 

 

 

 

There's no idea arguing with these fellas. Just give it up. Better go after their children ;)

I just read your sig regarding 'an eye for an eye', I bet you are so ignorant about the Bible and the context of how it means for that passage to be used that you just post it in your sig because your feeble mind thinks its some cool shit to post in a sig - right?

Ig you actually looked at my avvy you'd see a co-relation. That's Hammurabi in my avy, you know, the dude who pioneered the idea of "an eye for an eye" in writing. I don't even know if they use that phrase in the bible (total rip off if they did though ^^). And I have that avy and that sig right now because of the console war that's surffacing, and how the fanboys are trying to bash all the other systems they don't like. Sony fans bashed Wii U, after Nintendo fans bashed the Vita - and this cycle will just keep on going, and "blind" all the participants to certain facts.



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Chrizum on 14 February 2013
DaRev said:
Chrizum said:
DaRev said:
Chrizum said:
DaRev said:
dsgrue3 said:
DaRev said:

I readly that link, and what an absolute crack of shit its. Some dude looks up in black ass space and comes back and says, its Dark Matter/Energy lol, no shit Sherlock! Good thing he didn't call it Universal Matter.

Then in the end he says "The findings of the 2011 Nobel Laureates in Physics have helped to unveil a Universe that to a large extent is unknown to science,” the Nobel Assembly wrote. “And everything is possible again.” Now if that does sound like a shit load of, 'we looked up in the Sky and saw some shit which we never seen before and don't know what the hell it is, but we'll like to tell you about it before anyone else does', I don't know what that whole article was about. Absolutely nothing concrete, no eveidence of how the Universe was created just a shit storm of UNKOWNS and POSSIBILITIES lol.

Do you mock everything you don't understand in order to feel as though you aren't ignorant? I mean that's what I see.

Dark Matter was theorized, then proven, what it's comprised of no one knows - but we know it's there, and it isn't "nothing".

I made no mention of the creation of the universe, not sure why you've spontaneously brought it to my attention. Is this the extent of your coherence?

Mock, no, I apply the same silly reasoning that people like you apply to anything about the Bible. You think its ok for scientist to theorise out their ass but when people theorist about the Bible and God you make fun or them, saying that they believe if fairytales etc, lol.

Scientist use lofty terms that don't mean shit (sometime), but make it look like some sort of fact, get that crap out of here, Dark Matter my ass! Its all just a bunch theories where you still have to apply the same belief or faith that you mock religious people for having - talking about what is UNKNOWN and what is POSSIBLE, there lots of unknows and possibilities in the Bible to my friend why don't you believing in that to?

Since apparantlly you missed it the first time: You're right, it's much more likely some 36 year old guy with no education knows what the universe consists of than the accumulated knowledge of the top scientists in the world. In fact, you probably are the most knowledgable guy about everything, who even needs to do research, they can just ask you instead!

Or to put it bluntly: learn some modesty, do you really think you know more about this stuff than the accumulated knowledge of an entire scientific field?

lol, you trying to get person dude, I'm far more educated than you are I'm sure. Just tell me how many University, Post Graduate, and Industry Related honours you have. Just tell me the number no specifics

Plus, I got more common sense than you do, so I can accept both science and religion So yes I am smarter than you at the least who seem to be so one dimentional in accepting science but discounting religion. But I never said I know more about science than any scientist, what I'm saying is that you must also believe in unknowns just as much as religious people do.

For example, if you belive in Dark Matter, please explain where it came from and what it is made of. what does it do? You MUST at some point of your explanation apply some unknowns and theory or belief - so why can't religious people do the same when believing in God and the Bible? 

It's perfectly clear that you have no understanding of how the scientific method works and how it is completely different from religion. If you do have an academic science degree then your education has failed you greatly. And for the record: yes, I do have a PhD (in Social Psychology).

Right back at you son, as you clearly have no understanding of how faith and religion works, so that Social Psychology degree seems to be worthless. You remind me of Nicodemus who was a very smart man in Jesus time and Jesus said to him:

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]

That sounds like you pal, wise in your own conceits. A whole lot of knowlege that at the end of the day means nothing - you know what you know and that's all you know. You look and Nature, and things on the Earth and things above the Earth and miss that there is something other than Science at work, and think you are wise. So, here is yet another reason why I believe in the bible, because I clearly talks about wise men like you, lol. By the way, I'm a Lawyer, Masters in Corpoarte and Business Law, a Trust and Estate Practitioner and a Christian.

It seems you are the one casting the first stone though as I have not said a thing about religion in this thread. Although I must thank you for calling me a wise man!

My beef isn't with religion as I'm not opposed to faith or religion at all. My beef is with your complete ignorance about science and physics. You are the one comparing science with religion, not me.

You literaly said this about dark matter: "it's all just theory aka shit some dude made up", and that shows a complete lack of understanding of how the scientific method works. If you truly think you know more about dark matter than the accumulated knowledge of an entire scientific field over the last decades or even centuries, you have illusions of grandeur as big as the universe itself.