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Yakuzaice said:

The end of March will mark the end of the ninth fiscal year that the DS has been released in the main three markets.  Nintendo's forecast is 2.3 million shipped.

In the ninth fiscal year of full release the PS2 shipped 7.9 million units.  If we count the fact that it released in Japan in the previous fiscal year then it would be 13.7 million in its ninth fiscal year.  Three years later it was still doing 4.1 million in a fiscal year, 78% more than Nintendo expects for the DS this FY.

In their earnings report, Nintendo listed no first party games coming to the DS in 2013, 1 3rd party game in the US, 4 in Europe, and 0 in Japan.  These games are...

The Croods: Prehistoric Party!
Everything's Rosie
Jewel Link Safari Quest
Raa Raa The Noisy Lion

So which of these games is going to push DS sales for the next five years?

The DS is not the PS2, and is not going to last 5 more years.  By then we'll probably have a 3DS successor.

Brilliant post. Says all thats needed to be said.



                            

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Metallicube said:
pezus said:
Metallicube said:

That is anybody's guess, since there seems to be no concrete data. There are basically three camps; those that believe DS has ALREADY passed PS2 (hardcore Nintendo fans), those that believe it has not yet passed it, but will soon (logical assumption), and those that believe it NEVER will pass it (hardcore Sony fans). I count myself in the second category :P

First camp can easily be proved wrong, so I don't see why anyone would be there. Second camp is on the losing side and third camp on the winning side .

So you think it's likely DS will not pass PS2, even though DS is 4 years younger, has more games yet to be released, and is still in production while PS2 is not? I think that's a long shot. Might take awhile, might even take 5 years or so, but I think DS passing PS2 is inevitable at this point. One important factor people forget is that Nintendo still has room for a pretty significant price drop, not to mention the holiday seasons to come, which tend to favor Nintendo.

Can you find me a console that Nintendo has supported for 5 years in NA (which is the only place the DS is really selling) after its successor has launched, let alone 7?  The NES was pulled off of NA shelves 4 years after the SNES launched.  The SNES was discontinued in NA 3 years after the N64 launched.  The N64 was taken off shelves in NA 2 years after it the Gamecube launched.  The Gamecube only lasted 1 year into the Wii's launch.  Let's look at the more relevant consoles, though, handhelds.  The GBC was discontinued 2 years after the GBA launched.  While the GBA lasted 4 years after the DS launched, though this was mostly due to it being only 3 years old when the DS launched. 

As you see, Nintendo, on average, supports their consoles 2.7 years after its successor has been launched.  This is why it is easy to calculate that the DS will be discontinued either in late 2013 or sometime in 2014, 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 years after the 3DS launched.  Not nearly the 3+ years from NOW it needs to pass the PS2.

But, let's talk about the most important factor of all.  Nintendo IS NOT the sole decider on if a console is discontinued or not.  It is also up to retailers.  Right now, in the US, we have 8 systems competing for shelve space.  The PS3, PSP, Vita, Wii U, Wii, 3DS, DS, and the 360.  Later this year, we are most likely going to have 2 new systems launching, the PS4 and the 360.  There's no way stores are going to make room for 10 consoles to be on shelves at once.  So, which ones are going away.  The ones that are the oldest and not selling very much HW/SW.  That would be the PSP and the DS, possibly even the Wii.  So, sometime in 2014, its going to be the PS4, PS3, Vita, Wii U, Wii (may no longer be there), 3DS, NeXbox, and the 360.

In other words, the more reasonable people realize that it isn't going to happen.  Not unless Nintendo sells them for $20 a pop for the next year and a half.  And that would either be a hollow victory or it may end up still not drawing enough interest to push it over the 157M+ mark.



J_Allard said:
I will assume it has since Sony is too butt hurt to separate PS3/PS2 and PSV/PSP numbers.

What a great post from a reasonable person. 

Care to explain how it has passed the PS2, when the DS is yet to pass the 155.1M the PS2 shipped from March 2012?  So, do you think the PS2 actually has negative numbers from the last 3 quarters? 

You have 2 possibilities.  Either the PS2 sold like crap, and the number is MAYBE 156M, still over 2.3M more than the DS.  This, of course, would mean the PS3 has passed the 360.  Or its been having decent shipments, and the number is more like 157.1M+.  This would mean that the PS3 hasn't passed the 360.  So, which is it?



thismeintiel said:
J_Allard said:
I will assume it has since Sony is too butt hurt to separate PS3/PS2 and PSV/PSP numbers.

What a great post from a reasonable person. 

Care to explain how it has passed the PS2, when the DS is yet to pass the 155.1M the PS2 shipped from March 2012?  So, do you think the PS2 actually has negative numbers from the last 3 quarters? 

You have 2 possibilities.  Either the PS2 sold like crap, and the number is MAYBE 156M, still over 2.3M more than the DS.  This, of course, would mean the PS3 has passed the 360.  Or its been having decent shipments, and the number is more like 157.1M+.  This would mean that the PS3 hasn't passed the 360.  So, which is it?

I'll explain something as soon as we have official, up to date numbers from Sony. But wait we don't, because they bundle consoles together now to hide bad sales.

Point being your speculation is not a shred more factual than mine, or any more factual than someone who thinks the DS has/will soon pass the PS2. Hope that helps.

 



J_Allard said:

I'll explain something as soon as we have official, up to date numbers from Sony. But wait we don't, because they bundle consoles together now to hide bad sales.

Point being your speculation is not a shred more factual than mine, or any more factual than someone who thinks the DS has/will soon pass the PS2. Hope that helps.

The fact is the PS2 shipped 155.1 million before they started combining the systems.



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J_Allard said:

I'll explain something as soon as we have official, up to date numbers from Sony. But wait we don't, because they bundle consoles together now to hide bad sales.

Point being your speculation is not a shred more factual than mine, or any more factual than someone who thinks the DS has/will soon pass the PS2. Hope that helps.

Did you read this thread, or the thread I linked earlier in the thread?

Can work out PS2 numbers fairly easy from PS3 reported sales. The PS2 has shipped ~3 Million during 2012. Unless you think the PS3 is undertracked by ~2 Million. In which case, I ask you, where are those 2 Million PS3 consoles?



                            

J_Allard said:
thismeintiel said:
J_Allard said:
I will assume it has since Sony is too butt hurt to separate PS3/PS2 and PSV/PSP numbers.

What a great post from a reasonable person. 

Care to explain how it has passed the PS2, when the DS is yet to pass the 155.1M the PS2 shipped from March 2012?  So, do you think the PS2 actually has negative numbers from the last 3 quarters? 

You have 2 possibilities.  Either the PS2 sold like crap, and the number is MAYBE 156M, still over 2.3M more than the DS.  This, of course, would mean the PS3 has passed the 360.  Or its been having decent shipments, and the number is more like 157.1M+.  This would mean that the PS3 hasn't passed the 360.  So, which is it?

I'll explain something as soon as we have official, up to date numbers from Sony. But wait we don't, because they bundle consoles together now to hide bad sales.

Point being your speculation is not a shred more factual than mine, or any more factual than someone who thinks the DS has/will soon pass the PS2. Hope that helps.

 

Another reasonable post. 

BTW, that 155.1M is official.  It came before they started combining sales, so try again.



The PS2 was at 155.1M as of 31 march 2012. Its safe to say its around 157M by now.



pezus said:
Cheebee said:
Didn't Sony stop producing PS2's a while ago? I don't rightly recall, but I think I remember reading about that. DS is still being produced (well, apart from the Phat and Lite models, I think, but the DSi and DSiXL are), and should sell well for a while yet.

It's already a budget choice for people who don't want the latest stuff (and their kids), plus it has an insanely large library of games still readily available everywhere. Plus, new games are still coming out, here and there.
PS2 stuff isn't as readily and visibly available anymore, really.
They'll probably do some more pricedrops eventually too. Should sell a few million more. We'll see. As long as it's making Nintendo money, they'll continue selling 'em.

Obviously, since PS2 is mostly selling in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe etc. Do you live there?

And no, they haven't stopped producing them. The news you saw was only for Japan.

Well no. Do you? We'll see though. It's not like DS or its games have stopped selling either. Not by a long shot.



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pezus said:
Cheebee said:
Didn't Sony stop producing PS2's a while ago? I don't rightly recall, but I think I remember reading about that. DS is still being produced (well, apart from the Phat and Lite models, I think, but the DSi and DSiXL are), and should sell well for a while yet.

It's already a budget choice for people who don't want the latest stuff (and their kids), plus it has an insanely large library of games still readily available everywhere. Plus, new games are still coming out, here and there.
PS2 stuff isn't as readily and visibly available anymore, really.
They'll probably do some more pricedrops eventually too. Should sell a few million more. We'll see. As long as it's making Nintendo money, they'll continue selling 'em.

Obviously, since PS2 is mostly selling in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe etc. Do you live there?

And no, they haven't stopped producing them. The news you saw was only for Japan.

I just saw this... HOW DARE YOU! PS2 are no longer available here!

*goes out and checks nearest videogame store and toy stores to get photos to slap at pezus*

Yeah...never mind, I saw a bunch of PS2 games (3 shelves worth) and a few PS2s.... trollolololol!