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Player1x3 said:
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I'll make you a deal, player 1x3.  I will stop posting in religious threads if you do, too.  I'd rather have an opinion, but I'll make the sacrifice if it means you stop peddling your nonsense crusade against atheism.  

What say you? 



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Jay520 said:
Player1x3 said:

Yeah but i don't spend half of my internet time trying to convince myself my beliefs are right and the opposites are wrong. I don't even think about atheism because im confident in my beliefs, i don't need constant reassurance so that i can sleep better at night. It does show it is a very crumbling belief, at least among majority of it's followers (on interwebz)

And my post wasn't really directed at you (neither is the point above), but rather at the majority of 'free thinkers' i've met online 

That's because you have a skewed view of atheists. The majority of atheists you become aware of on the internet are of course going to be the ones in debates. The "silent" atheists will never be in a discussion where their atheism is relevant, thus they would never reveal their atheism and you would never know they were atheists. There are way more "silent" atheists; they simply don't enter these discussions.

Hello :D



We still struggle for equality (not just in the US, but globally) because established and powerful organizations force obsolete, discriminatory, millennia-old rules on others because that's how they get their power; by controlling and exploiting people.



Player1x3 said:

For every 1 bad thing theists have done in real world, there are at least 10 more good things they did as well. For every bad thing atheists have done on internet or real world...there are almost zero good things they did in real world or internet. Unless you count upvoting a page on reddit or a leftover starbucks change donation.

If your posts are going to contain such inane generalizations and inaccuracies, you shouldn't expect anybody on the opposing side to grant you the courtesy of civil discourse.

Player1x3 said:

Well you said how he used real world examples to prove how stupid theists are...so why not use both sides of the story. He intentionally picked only the bad sides, when its obvious that the good side outweights the bad (today at least, it wasnt always the case)

I didn't pick only the bad sides just to say theists are bad but merely to show that their vocal profession of faith far outweighs the vocal profession of the lack of faith by atheists since your stated that atheists spend "half of my internet time trying to convince myself my beliefs are right and the opposites are wrong."



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Viper1 said:
Player1x3 said:

For every 1 bad thing theists have done in real world, there are at least 10 more good things they did as well. For every bad thing atheists have done on internet or real world...there are almost zero good things they did in real world or internet. Unless you count upvoting a page on reddit or a leftover starbucks change donation.

If your posts are going to contain such inane generalizations and inaccuracies, you shouldn't expect anybody on the opposing side to grant you the courtesy of civil discourse.

Player1x3 said:

Well you said how he used real world examples to prove how stupid theists are...so why not use both sides of the story. He intentionally picked only the bad sides, when its obvious that the good side outweights the bad (today at least, it wasnt always the case)

I didn't pick only the bad sides just to say theists are bad but merely to show that their vocal profession of faith far outweighs the vocal profession of the lack of faith by atheists since your stated that atheists spend "half of my internet time trying to convince myself my beliefs are right and the opposites are wrong."

It's best to just ignore him. I've been trying to explain the logical fallacies in his arguments as long as I've been a member of this site.  It just doesn't work.  He's got a pretty firm hateboner for atheism. 



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All of this will look very funny in a hundred years when they look back and laugh at our narrow minded society.



gatito said:
All of this will look very funny in a hundred years when they look back and laugh at our narrow minded society.

The people who oppose day marriage now will be looked back on the same way we now look at those who opposed interracial marriage.



dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:


Not if the belief itself is to have faith. If this were a scientific or social matter I would understand that position. But it is a spiritual matter, and the only evidence you can gather on that are from your own personal experience.

That theory in no way suggests how the universe and all the matter came to be. Quantum mechanics are the result or cause of ''something''. Nothing by definition cant do ''nothing''. There isnt anything there to do anything. While it is true that from what we have seen so far matter and antimatter are created in self-cancelling amounts under fluctuation conditions, one must bear in mind that so far our observation of creating both is laughably small.

EDIT: This universe and rationality stuff is going off topic, so I'd be thankful if we would return to the original topic

Well, if you are only considering God spiritually (mind and not tangible) then there isn't anything to discuss as reality itself is subjective and each person's experience is unique in that regard. 

We have discovered the higgs boson at this point, so stating that matter and anti-matter are created in self-cancelling amounts is not accurate at all. They simply are not created in self-cancelling amounts, matter wins out which is why we exist at all.

Your concept that nothing can't do anything is quite unfounded. We have no real world examples of true nothingness, and I would conclude it is the exact opposite - it is boundless freedom, limitless, unheeded by laws, rules, space, restrictions.  

I don't know what the original topic is anymore, but if it's gay marriage and religion does it really need to be discussed? Surely no religious person can come in here and rationally argue against gay marriage.

Well, duh, exactly. I think God and/or religion only work on spiritual and personal level. Thats kinda the whole point of religion (at least Christian one). Thats why I never understood going to church because ''its propper''. Everyone should have his/her own connection and relationship and with God, not something that a priest or even Pope says. Thats why i dont favour organized religios leaders much.

There is a credible current theory that the missing antimatter component of the known universe may be explained by positing that there was a tiny favouring of the creation of matter at the moment of the Big Bang (favouring particles over antiparticles at the rate of perhaps a billion and one to a billion). Matter and antimatter would then negate on contact, leaving a trivial overspill of matter (the known universe).

There are problems with the math of this theory, but it mops up the massive excess of meaningless photons in the observed universe like a charm.

I believe nothingness is exactly what was before Big Bang (God doesnt count): no matter, no time, no laws. But its really pointless to speculate on the stuff like this, beause our knowledge is extremly limited on this topic, so everything we say is mostly speculation.

I can rationally argue against gay marrige, but not because im religious or would I be using any religious arguments. My stance on gay marrige has nothing to do with my religion



Viper1 said:
Player1x3 said:

For every 1 bad thing theists have done in real world, there are at least 10 more good things they did as well. For every bad thing atheists have done on internet or real world...there are almost zero good things they did in real world or internet. Unless you count upvoting a page on reddit or a leftover starbucks change donation.

If your posts are going to contain such inane generalizations and inaccuracies, you shouldn't expect anybody on the opposing side to grant you the courtesy of civil discourse.

It may was a generalization, but the point remains true. Christian religion today does far more good than evil.

Player1x3 said:

Well you said how he used real world examples to prove how stupid theists are...so why not use both sides of the story. He intentionally picked only the bad sides, when its obvious that the good side outweights the bad (today at least, it wasnt always the case)

I didn't pick only the bad sides just to say theists are bad but merely to show that their vocal profession of faith far outweighs the vocal profession of the lack of faith by atheists since your stated that atheists spend "half of my internet time trying to convince myself my beliefs are right and the opposites are wrong."

There's a key word there: ''internet''. I thought it was pretty obvious I was talking about MY experience online and online ONLY. I wonder did you ignore that on purpose. 

And it actually makes sense for religious people to to be more vocal about their belief , because it actually has content while Atheism is just ''Dont believe in any Gods'', its an empty belief, like DVD with no pictures. And its not that they promote atheism, they just simply attack religion (Anti theism). I dont see many religious people in the public constantly ranting about atheism. No, they stick to their belief and dont feel so insecure that they need to attack the opposite one. 





Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:
...random crap

I'll make you a deal, player 1x3.  I will stop posting in religious threads if you do, too.  I'd rather have an opinion, but I'll make the sacrifice if it means you stop peddling your nonsense crusade against atheism.  

What say you? 


Whats your problem with me seriously? Arent you the guy that is into gay porn and like Goatse pictures??? 

 

And I am not on a crusade against atheism, its almost non existant in my country :D But im getting pretty tired of your crusades I see almost everywhere on the internet.