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What types of Guns should we ban?

All Guns 62 24.80%
 
All Guns, make guns legal... 16 6.40%
 
All Guns, in Major Cities... 9 3.60%
 
All Guns, except Hunting Rifles 16 6.40%
 
Just Handguns, they serve... 2 0.80%
 
Just Semi-Auto Rifles, a bit overkill 11 4.40%
 
None, but we should make ... 27 10.80%
 
None, we have a right to carry weapons 43 17.20%
 
None, I still don't beli... 42 16.80%
 
See Results 21 8.40%
 
Total:249
chris_wing on 04 February 2013
Player1x3 said:
I wonder if the Left will eventually get tired of being proven wrong on this issue...

We can hope.



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chris_wing on 04 February 2013
Michael-5 said:
ishiki said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

That video is so biased.

A) Criminals will still keep weapons, and only law abiding citizens will follow the law? Aren't guns in the USA registered like in Canada? You go door to door and take away guns, or put individuals in jail. Also it's a slow process, don't ban all guns at once, start at semi automatics.

If it's already too dangerous to take semi autos from registered owners, USA has some big issues, gun related.

B) Mass Murders by young individuals - Happens too much in the USA. That video counters this by mentioning a cop who used a gun correctly? Obviously Gun should carry guns, that's a silly counter.

C) Violent Video Games - Yup, Canada, much lower homicide rate

D) USA is more violent - It is, statistically, USA is among the most violent country out of all the developed countries. Your video counters this by mentioning Mexico, but again, how hard is it to smuggle a gun into Mexico? Just because guns are banned, doesn't mean they don't find their way into the country.

D-II) LOL He mentions a Mass shooting in Germany. Like I said, a gun ban won't solve everything, you need to stop guns from comming into the country. Gemrnay has a free boarder, so just like in USA, people can easily bring in a gun from another country....illegally.

E) - Removing Guns = less violence? Not right away, I agree with your video, China is a good example, but mass stabbing result in less murders then mass murders.

Anyway, I watched 7 minutes of the video, it's arguing a different point them me. I'm talking about banning guns, and making it difficult to import weapons. What's the point of banning guns if people can still smuggle them in?

This is why Canada has never had a mass shooting, and never will (unless an American smuggles a gun into the country and does this himself). This is why our homicide rate is that much lower.

1-Canada's gun registry failed & is in shambles

"Originally the program required the registration of all non-restricted firearms but this requirement was dropped on April 6, 2012 by the coming into force of Bill C-19.    Bill C-19 also mandated the destruction of the non-restricted records of the registry as soon as feasible."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

2-No Canadian mass shootings?  Okay, now I can stop taking you seriously. http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/12/18/guns-notorious-for-use-in-canadian-mass-shootings-still-not-prohibited/



Kasz216 on 04 February 2013

All available credible science shows that banning guns will accomplish nothing, and in fact likely makes the problem worse.

So your own disbelief mostly seems to stem from your lack of researching regarding the topic.

You'd find more scientific evidence to suggest banning videogames then you would guns.



Kasz216 on 04 February 2013
Michael-5 said:
ishiki said:

I would say no, because it causes a shitstorm and is going to be a slow process. 


The U.S. should be worrying about other more pertinent things. Like a balanced budget that cuts government spending. Than playing politics accusing Obama of not shooting skeet, and then obama showing him a picture of a shotgun.

imo anyways.

What about other countries? Canada's gun ownership rate is much lower then USA.

spurgeonryan said:
No. Sorry. In some countries prostitution is legal, others drugs are legal. This is our vice. Guns are legal. Ban guns and you effectively ban freedom. We banned alcohol once. Was a disaster. We ban drugs. Is a disaster!

What new problems will arise after guns are banned? There is always something.

Is this a good vice to have? People go to other countries for sex and drugs, but do people come to USA to shoot people? You can still have guns legal at hunting ranges, or shooting ranges.

Alcohol has a purpose, what purpose do guns have? If you need to de-stress, and shooting a gun does that for you, do you not already do that at a shooting range? Why do you need to take the weapon home?

JoeTheBro said:

Watch this video if you are against guns and think you have stats backing it up.

That video is so biased.

A) Criminals will still keep weapons, and only law abiding citizens will follow the law? Aren't guns in the USA registered like in Canada? You go door to door and take away guns, or put individuals in jail. Also it's a slow process, don't ban all guns at once, start at semi automatics.

Your joking right?

Of course guns in the US are registered.  Which i why the vast majority of crimes are committed with unregistered guns.  This happens... everywhere.

 

As for going door to door?  If you meant every house that violates Due Process.

 If you mean people with registered guns... because like mentioned, registered guns aren't usually a problem... so we're spending a bunch of money to get rid of guns that aren't the problem, so people aren't armed.   Which does prevent crime. 

Not in the "He's got a gun" so the criminal leaves way primarily (though that does happen) but in the "He might own a gun, so lets not rob him" Type way.

 

The US has as far as i know the lowest amount of "Hot" home invasions... aka robberies in which people are home when robbed.  In the US you don't rob someone unless you are 100% sure they aren't home because criminals are more afraid of homeowners then police. (actual study).



man-bear-pig on 04 February 2013

No, but we should ban you for even suggesting such a thing!



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chris_wing on 04 February 2013
Kasz216 said:

All available credible science shows that banning guns will accomplish nothing, and in fact likely makes the problem worse.

So your own disbelief mostly seems to stem from your lack of researching and ignorance regarding the topic.

You'd find more scientific evidence to suggest banning videogames then you would guns.

It's the culture of glamorizing guns through movies, tv & yes games.  The difference with games is that you take an active role.



Kasz216 on 04 February 2013
chris_wing said:
Kasz216 said:

All available credible science shows that banning guns will accomplish nothing, and in fact likely makes the problem worse.

So your own disbelief mostly seems to stem from your lack of researching and ignorance regarding the topic.

You'd find more scientific evidence to suggest banning videogames then you would guns.

It's the culture of glamorizing guns through movies, tv & yes games.  The difference with games is that you take an active role.


Maybe. Only issue i have with that is that the US exports it's culture pretty much everywhere so you'd expect there to be more of a crossover effect.



chris_wing on 04 February 2013
Kasz216 said:
chris_wing said:
Kasz216 said:

All available credible science shows that banning guns will accomplish nothing, and in fact likely makes the problem worse.

So your own disbelief mostly seems to stem from your lack of researching and ignorance regarding the topic.

You'd find more scientific evidence to suggest banning videogames then you would guns.

It's the culture of glamorizing guns through movies, tv & yes games.  The difference with games is that you take an active role.


Maybe. Only issue i have with that is that the US exports it's culture pretty much everywhere so you'd expect there to be more of a crossover effect.

Like a Prince concert, it's not the same unless you're actually there. ;)

IDK, I hate singling out games, but the active role and habitualized shooting of people is something movies & TV don't provide.  This doesn't explain why the US has more violence then, say, Canada, but I already showed through MATH that it's not just because the US has more guns.  And it's not just games ether, it's something deeper in the US culture.



Kasz216 on 04 February 2013
chris_wing said:
Kasz216 said:
chris_wing said:
Kasz216 said:

All available credible science shows that banning guns will accomplish nothing, and in fact likely makes the problem worse.

So your own disbelief mostly seems to stem from your lack of researching and ignorance regarding the topic.

You'd find more scientific evidence to suggest banning videogames then you would guns.

It's the culture of glamorizing guns through movies, tv & yes games.  The difference with games is that you take an active role.


Maybe. Only issue i have with that is that the US exports it's culture pretty much everywhere so you'd expect there to be more of a crossover effect.

Like a Prince concert, it's not the same unless you're actually there. ;)

IDK, I hate singling out games, but the active role and habitualized shooting of people is something movies & TV don't provide.  This doesn't explain why the US has more violence then, say, Canada, but I already showed through MATH that it's not just because the US has more guns.  And it's not just games ether, it's something deeper in the US culture.


I'd base it on poverty, education and a lack of trust in the police.   As was shown in  a number of the other gun control threads... US violence levels and gun violence levels are right in the middle of average of the OCED.... when it's the rates for white people.   All of our "crime boom" appears to be in minorities, specifically African Americans and Hispanic people.

When you look at the most likely reasons for that, poverty, education levels and just in general a feeling that they can't count on the police to give them a fair shake seem to be the most likely cause.  

Fix Education by dealing with it sensibly so schools have to compete with each other to survive, and work on rehabilitating the police image in a number of the worst areas in the US and I think you'd go a long way to solving the problem.



Player1x3 on 04 February 2013
Kasz216 said:
chris_wing said:
Kasz216 said:
chris_wing said:
Kasz216 said:

All available credible science shows that banning guns will accomplish nothing, and in fact likely makes the problem worse.

So your own disbelief mostly seems to stem from your lack of researching and ignorance regarding the topic.

You'd find more scientific evidence to suggest banning videogames then you would guns.

It's the culture of glamorizing guns through movies, tv & yes games.  The difference with games is that you take an active role.


Maybe. Only issue i have with that is that the US exports it's culture pretty much everywhere so you'd expect there to be more of a crossover effect.

Like a Prince concert, it's not the same unless you're actually there. ;)

IDK, I hate singling out games, but the active role and habitualized shooting of people is something movies & TV don't provide.  This doesn't explain why the US has more violence then, say, Canada, but I already showed through MATH that it's not just because the US has more guns.  And it's not just games ether, it's something deeper in the US culture.

 US violence levels and gun violence levels are right in the middle of average of the OCED.... when it's the rates for white people.   All of our "crime boom" appears to be in minorities, specifically African Americans and Hispanic people.

When you look at the most likely reasons for that, poverty, education levels and just in general a feeling that they can't count on the police to give them a fair shake seem to be the most likely cause.  


Or maybe it's just in their nature?