HesAPooka said:
Glad you said that cause US ranks higher in homicides amongs devloped countires, AND gun related homicides :). So clearly guns aren't stopping homicides in the states. SInce it ranks highest in both gun related and non gun related homicides per capita amongst delevloped countries. Sure other countries rank high in rape or other violent form of crimes, but that's a whole other issue.
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Well of course guns aren't stopping Homicides in the US. Once you get to the stage where you want to murder somebody, you are going to murder somebody regardless. The US has a number of factors that make it inherently more violent then most OECD countries. Poverty, education issues, racial minorities who often feel they can't trust the police, and are often right. Yet our violent crime rate is lower. I'll note once again that for white people. The US homicde rate is right in line with europe. Therefore the causes of our high homicide rate are logically caused by issues that effect these groups heavier then whites. These people more likely to comit murders including gun homicides are LESS likely to own guns.
As for bogus stats... they aren't bogus. Actually if you look historically at homicide rates. You'll note homicdes go UP after gun bans. Not down.
For a very mild example.
You can't tie that to one piece of legislation, nor would I, but the opposite happens from what you think would be the case.
http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/2013/01/28/gun-control-debate-with-mark-pt-2/ (Has some good stuff on it as well).
Why? Because it doesn't matter. Nobody looks at a gun and says "Hey a gun, i'm gonna shoot someone!" People think... "Man i'd like to kill that guy. I'll shoot him" or if there is no gun "I'll stab him" or "I'll poison him."
If we got rid of guns in the US. Homicdes would not go down. Crime would go up.
If you remove the US a statistical outlier... you actually find homicides go down as gun ownership goes up in OECD nations.
I wouldn't be looking for an arguement either if my viewpoint held no statistical or logical point... to quote the above link.
"In short, there is no good evidence that gun availability causes increased crime rates. There is extremely good evidence that socioeconomic variables are far and away the primary drivers of crime rates. Violence in general and gun violence in particular are real problems in the US, but gun control as a solution is so ill-supported as to verge on superstition."