The problem is you can even have a civil discussion, with out Nintendo fans jumping on you, nothing that i have posted is made up garbage, its mostly facts, and its no bias at all, i might not like nintendo, but i'm not gonna sit here and make stuff up and say code X looks like crap or nextgen because both statements are hyperbole.

m-m-m-m-monster quotes!

The Wii U is like two and a half Xbox 360's duct taped together! No, make that three!

Guys. It's very simple. If you don't want the same people coming into EVERY Wii U related thread, hijacking it, and having the same damn conversation 20 times in 20 different threads...

Then just don't respond. Very simple.

Personally, I interpreted the comment on the CPU differently than most people ...

If you've paid attention to any major chip architecture over the decades you will have noticed that they're constantly adding instructions to improve performance for particular applications, they rarely/never eliminate instructions, and most of these instructions are not related to gaming. As a result, the core instruction set to produce a good gaming system is relatively small and the silicon needed to support it isn't that large.

Hypothetically speaking, if you know you have a dedicated sound chip that can decode audio files, and you know you have a dedicated GPU that can decode video files, do you really need the multi-media extensions on your CPU to perform these tasks? If you can reduce the chip size by 10% would you remove these extensions?

While my single hypothetical may not seem that meaningful, if you can make several choices which are similar you could (in theory) dramatically reduce the size of your chip without impacting performance in your given application.

KHlover said: the_dengle said: KHlover said: Expanations for a non-tech guy, good sir? The Wii U is a prius in a world of SUVs. If we look at the past generations gamers seem to like the Prius :P

How so? Graphics always seem to sell and I've yet to here of a gamer complaining about efficiency. If it works, it works and that's all they tend to think about. 

Mazty said: KHlover said: the_dengle said: KHlover said: Expanations for a non-tech guy, good sir? The Wii U is a prius in a world of SUVs. If we look at the past generations gamers seem to like the Prius :P How so? Graphics always seem to sell and I've yet to here of a gamer complaining about efficiency. If it works, it works and that's all they tend to think about.

The weakest console has always won yet.

KHlover said: Mazty said: How so? Graphics always seem to sell and I've yet to here of a gamer complaining about efficiency. If it works, it works and that's all they tend to think about.  The weakest console has always won yet.

Yes & no. Yes if we break the argument down to as basic level, but no if we realise that such a basic level is entirely redundant. For example, the difference in power between the PS2/GC/Xbox was negliable. Yes there was a difference but you would have to be very critical to notice the differences in power. This generation it is entirely reasonable to say that the Wii market was not the same as the PS3/360 market, and therefore to consider the wii to be in the same race as the PS3/360 is like comparing Ford Mondeo sales to that of a BMW - different markets. 

End of the day, "winning" is really only one thing - turning a profit which investors believe is adequate. Any other target is completely arbitrary.  

So back to my main point - efficiency has never been a concern for gamers so I'm not sure how wise it is to have a console that focuses on such a thing.

KHlover said: Mazty said: KHlover said: the_dengle said: KHlover said: Expanations for a non-tech guy, good sir? The Wii U is a prius in a world of SUVs. If we look at the past generations gamers seem to like the Prius :P How so? Graphics always seem to sell and I've yet to here of a gamer complaining about efficiency. If it works, it works and that's all they tend to think about.  The weakest console has always won yet.

ps2 was a beast when it came out, so was the psx and super nes was more powerful and beat out the genesis, every single console that won there respective generations were a beast when they came out except for the wii, sure it was a win for nintendo but not for gamers with no real third party support. the weak console that won a gen in sales was the wii, it got no third party support though and no hype for its successer, if the wiiu wins this then we can say power doesn't matter.

ninjablade said: KHlover said: Mazty said: KHlover said: the_dengle said: KHlover said: Expanations for a non-tech guy, good sir? The Wii U is a prius in a world of SUVs. If we look at the past generations gamers seem to like the Prius :P How so? Graphics always seem to sell and I've yet to here of a gamer complaining about efficiency. If it works, it works and that's all they tend to think about.  The weakest console has always won yet. ps2 was a beast when it came out, so was the psx and super nes was more powerful and beat out the genesis, every single console that won there respective generations were a beast when they came out except for the wii, sure it was a win for nintendo but not for gamers with no real third party support. the weak console that won a gen in sales was the wii, it got no third party support though and no hype for its successer, if the wiiu wins this then we can say power doesn't matter.

False. Never in history has the most powerful console ever won. NES was a lot weaker than anything else on the market at the time, but it obliterated everything in sales. Yeah sure the SNES was more powerful than the Genesis, but the Neo-Geo was a monster in power compared to the Super Nintendo. The Nintendo 64 came in as a powerhouse and at the time the graphics were unbelievable. Did it win the generation? Nope that title went to the weaker PlayStation. The Gamecube and Xbox came into the 6th gen with a lot of power that far exceeded the PS2, but we all know who ended up winning that console war. And the 7th gen that we are now leaving had the weak Wii as the the winner. So as you can see, aiming your console to be a mighty powerhouse isn't a great idea.