amp316 said: I agree with pretty much everything that you say but wonder if you kiss your mother with that mouth? |
:) Are you trying to turn me back into a happydolphin?
I'll fix the title.
amp316 said: I agree with pretty much everything that you say but wonder if you kiss your mother with that mouth? |
:) Are you trying to turn me back into a happydolphin?
I'll fix the title.
Those are the consoles i grew up with...and Nintendo 1st & 2nd party games were unrivaled
im with you happy, but tone down the anger, no use in name calling. And if people want to ignore glaring obvious factors, like I dont know; practically every third party company jumping ship then i say let them live in their fantasy world.
Immortal said: This is one of those times when the lack of a definition for "casual" really hurts. Not casual, but Pokemon? Not casual, but NSMB? Not casual, but Wii Sports? If those games aren't casual, I don't know what is. His general point is also wrong, though. SMB4 would've outsold SM64. Some of the decline is attributable to third parties, but the rest is because Nintendo lowered its own standards as well. Probably mostly third parties, though. |
Pokemon is casual? Sorry man, that took all the credibility out of your post.
I agree that first-party games didn't hurt Nintendo during the fifth and sixth generations, but to be honest I've never seen someone argue the opposite.
RazorDragon said:
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It's come to the point where anything that has mass-success is a casual game.
That's what I'm trying to show people, that the premice is completely off-line with reality.
RazorDragon said:
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I've spent ~400 hours on BW, ~1500 hours on Gen IV games and about ~2000 hours each on each of the previous generation's main games. I've played through all the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger and Pokemon Pinball games dozens of times. Each. And I've at least tried out just about every Pokemon game there is. I'm sorry, but I have just about as much authority as it gets to speak about Pokemon.
And, yes, it's casual. Especially in the context of the Gameboy line, because pretty much all its customers at that point were children. Still are, really.
“These are my principles; if you don’t like them, I have others.” – Groucho Marx
Immortal said:
And, yes, it's casual. Especially in the context of the Gameboy line, because pretty much all its customers at that point were children. Still are, really. |
And that's the point. How can a game be "casual" if you spent more than 4000 hours of your life playing it? It's because the customers are possibly children? I finished Shinobi on the Master System when i was a child. So, it's also a casual game? Now, i absolutely agree that of definition for the word casual in gaming hurts the context. There's absolutely no sense, IMO, for a game to be called casual when i believe that's actually up to the player. I mean, games shouldn't be rated as casual or hardcore, because games don't play themselves. You can be hardcore in Wii Sports, for example, if you lose a great time of your life trying to master everything about the specific game, just as you can be casual playing a FPS, if you just finish it as fast as you can and move on to the next game.
RazorDragon said:
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I know that's your point. Just because I spend that much time on a game, though, doesn't mean anyone else does. (For the record, Nintendo Channel says I've spent >1000 hours on Wii Sports. Yes, the original.)
And I actually completely agree with what you're saying right now. There's no real definition for casual and core if we judge this by the games themselves. Which makes this article stupid and meaningless. Which is my point.
“These are my principles; if you don’t like them, I have others.” – Groucho Marx
The N64 was saved from being an abject failure because of some of the best games Nintendo have ever made.
The Gamecube was an abject failure because Nintendo made some of the worst games they've ever made.
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