Anyone who thinks the 64/cube failed due to 1st party software is...

[Immortal]

RazorDragon said:

Immortal said:
This is one of those times when the lack of a definition for "casual" really hurts. Not casual, but Pokemon? Not casual, but NSMB? Not casual, but Wii Sports?

If those games aren't casual, I don't know what is.

His general point is also wrong, though. SMB4 would've outsold SM64. Some of the decline is attributable to third parties, but the rest is because Nintendo lowered its own standards as well. Probably mostly third parties, though.

Pokemon is casual? Sorry man, that took all the credibility out of your post.

I've spent ~400 hours on BW, ~1500 hours on Gen IV games and about ~2000 hours each on each of the previous generation's main games. I've played through all the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger and Pokemon Pinball games dozens of times. Each. And I've at least tried out just about every Pokemon game there is. I'm sorry, but I have just about as much authority as it gets to speak about Pokemon.

And, yes, it's casual. Especially in the context of the Gameboy line, because pretty much all its customers at that point were children. Still are, really.