Anyone who thinks the 64/cube failed due to 1st party software is...

[RazorDragon]

Immortal said:

RazorDragon said:

Immortal said:
This is one of those times when the lack of a definition for "casual" really hurts. Not casual, but Pokemon? Not casual, but NSMB? Not casual, but Wii Sports?

If those games aren't casual, I don't know what is.

His general point is also wrong, though. SMB4 would've outsold SM64. Some of the decline is attributable to third parties, but the rest is because Nintendo lowered its own standards as well. Probably mostly third parties, though.

Pokemon is casual? Sorry man, that took all the credibility out of your post.

I've spent ~400 hours on BW, ~1500 hours on Gen IV games and about ~2000 hours each on each of the previous generation's main games. I've played through all the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger and Pokemon Pinball games dozens of times. Each. And I've at least tried out just about every Pokemon game there is. I'm sorry, but I have just about as much authority as it gets to speak about Pokemon.

And, yes, it's casual. Especially in the context of the Gameboy line, because pretty much all its customers at that point were children. Still are, really.

And that's the point. How can a game be "casual" if you spent more than 4000 hours of your life playing it? It's because the customers are possibly children? I finished Shinobi on the Master System when i was a child. So, it's also a casual game? Now, i absolutely agree that of definition for the word casual in gaming hurts the context. There's absolutely no sense, IMO, for a game to be called casual when i believe that's actually up to the player. I mean, games shouldn't be rated as casual or hardcore, because games don't play themselves. You can be hardcore in Wii Sports, for example, if you lose a great time of your life trying to master everything about the specific game, just as you can be casual playing a FPS, if you just finish it as fast as you can and move on to the next game.