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jvillat1 said:
I think is just matter of time and the Wii U will sell a lot. 3DS had his hard time but right now is selling very very good.
I am hoping that Nintendo have more third party support and this is going to be good. :)

Nintendo never had a handheld console fail but got many fail in homeconsole domain.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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Aielyn said:
Mummelmann said:
Because some people feel that this is not the case. The weaknesses are not something solely to be fixed with games, price cuts and patches, the very console itself is designed in such as way that it misses both markets, this cannot be redeemed by any of the above.

However, it is up to anyone to measure what one would consider "reasonable sales".

The very fact that people on here try to talk about "two markets" demonstrates their complete and utter failure to understand the videogame industry and the broad spectrum of market that exists out there.


Blast from the past, been away for 8 days visiting my girlfriend in Sweden.

Are you suggesting that the core and casual markets aren't separate or that there are so many markets that this is irrelevant, I'm having trouble deciphering your post.

If you suggest the former, I must disagree strongly, you cannot suggest that Angry Birds and Gran Turismo 5 appeal to the same userbase. Farmville and The Witcher, anyone? Doodle Jump and Valkyria Chronicles?

If you suggest the latter, I must also disagree. At least as far as gaming goes.

If you claim either of the above, which you appear to be doing, you shouldn't be pointing fingers and accusing others of not understanding the video game market.



Mummelmann said:

Blast from the past, been away for 8 days visiting my girlfriend in Sweden.

Are you suggesting that the core and casual markets aren't separate or that there are so many markets that this is irrelevant, I'm having trouble deciphering your post.

If you suggest the former, I must disagree strongly, you cannot suggest that Angry Birds and Gran Turismo 5 appeal to the same userbase. Farmville and The Witcher, anyone? Doodle Jump and Valkyria Chronicles?

If you suggest the latter, I must also disagree. At least as far as gaming goes.

If you claim either of the above, which you appear to be doing, you shouldn't be pointing fingers and accusing others of not understanding the video game market.

What I'm suggesting is that there's no distinct separation between the two "markets" as the hardcore assign. There are people who like both, and behaviours are not particularly different between them. There are people who behave like any other core gamer, but their game style of choice is games like Angry Birds. There are a LOT of people out there who might pick up two or three games for their console in the entire time that they own it, and one of them is GT5. And there are people out there who love both games equally.

In short, the imagined distinction seen by the hardcore doesn't exist. What does exist is a spectrum of preferences and play styles that make the market far from the simplistic form that the hardcore like to assert. You have people who will buy the new CoD every time, but otherwise only own one other game. You have people who own all of the Just Dances, Wii Sports and Resort, Wii Fit Plus, Tiger Woods golf, Rayman Raving Rabbids, and ten other "casual" titles, all at once. And some of those will also own Resident Evil 4, No More Heroes, and Goldeneye 007.

In my own case, I own such games as Red Steel (1 and 2), World at War, No More Heroes, Metroid Prime, Twilight Princess, and The Conduit. I also own Wii Sports Resort, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Wii Fit Plus, Rayman Raving Rabbids 1 and 2, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, New Super Mario Bros Wii, and Tiger Woods 10. Note that this is just a selection to demonstrate my point, I own quite a few other titles of both "types".

The message here is, stop trying to segment the market. It's nowhere near that simple.