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Are we getting more stupid?

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Lafiel said:

on a genetic level intelligence is distributed very evenly among humans - we don't become more stupid from people that are phenotypically stupid reproducing faster, as they usually have the same genetic preposition as "intelligent" people, but they just lack the effort/upbringing/circumstances to bring that out in them

there are individuals with genetic defects/mutations/alterations that have a lower genetical base level of intelligence, but these people can very well have more intelligent offspring even if two of them are having children


But a reasonable IQ test doesn't measure what you know or even how you grow up, for instance. Studies in the Netherlands after the second world war showed there was no difference between the intelligence of those who became severily malnourished and those who don't. 

And there's a limit for your supposed genotypical / phenotypical discrepancy. It should the same as height, really. A child can be taller or smaller than it's parents, and you can get a litte better with the right upbringing, but it's often predictable where they will end up.



 

 

 

 

 

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I would argue it is less about intelligence and has far more to do with people becoming more entitled and selfish ...

Personally, I think the core problem is we're consistently trying to eliminate personal responsibility and "failure" in order to increase "equality" and to improve "self esteem".



I don't believe we are getting stupider. I may be in the minority here, but the level of intelligence is not the problem in my opinion.
If you bother to take a look around you, you may realize that raw intelligence is quite common. A lot of the people we mark as dumb are actually rather intelligent and thoughtful.
What they aren't....is smart.
And that's the main problem. We are becoming more intelligent by the generation as there are more things to deal with, but we are not getting exactly smarter because the classic model of education is failing. People are becoming duller because they cannot be roused into interest in most any subject. The classic model of education which includes books heaped upon books of boring, mostly irrelevant information, is not cutting it anymore.
As long as easy entertainment is more approachable than access to any sort of knowledge, and as long as the basest of our fellow men are glorified for their dumb acts rather than for knowledge, we will continue to see our potential dwindling away to nothing.

So no, we're not getting stupider, we're just getting duller. With a proper reevaluation of the aging education system, one that permits it to exist alongside current social interests, we may see a critical thinking society again with other interests aside from Honey Boo Boo, My super sweet world class or some of the other atrocities on television right now. Otherwise, get ready for a Transmetropolitan level decay in all facets of our society.

tl;dr: Engage the youth in education again and all else will follow.



No, in a special way I am convinced that, at least the European Countries that I have seen for myself, that the society is developing. I would not want to live in another country or in another time/era.

The one thing that concerns me is how the media have changed. In former days a stupid man was limited in spreading his stupidity to a local area. Nowadays, he can spread his stupidity around the whole world via internet.



@JinxRake: I like your reasoning.

We are more intelligent because we know more than in the past, but since we/they some aren't capable (or just don't want) to make use of their knowledge we/they look dumb.

I'd agree with that, and I'd even put an example that I saw the other day: In a store there was a man (in his late 30's) trying to buy laundry soap but the shop run out of the brand he was looking for. Now a normal person would either buy another brand or leave the shop and trying to find that brand on another store. What did he do? He called his wife to ask her what to do.

Yess, he was what we call "un calzonazos", but he was also dumb.



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Lafiel said:

on a genetic level intelligence is distributed very evenly among humans - we don't become more stupid from people that are phenotypically stupid reproducing faster, as they usually have the same genetic preposition as "intelligent" people, but they just lack the effort/upbringing/circumstances to bring that out in them

there are individuals with genetic defects/mutations/alterations that have a lower genetical base level of intelligence, but these people can very well have more intelligent offspring even if two of them are having children


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HappySqurriel said:
I would argue it is less about intelligence and has far more to do with people becoming more entitled and selfish ...

Personally, I think the core problem is we're consistently trying to eliminate personal responsibility and "failure" in order to increase "equality" and to improve "self esteem".

Nailed it.



Nevermore said:

Yes, but I don't think it's because the lack of natural selection, but rather the fact that we're breeding ourselves to be more stupid. Uneducated people on average marry earlier and have more kids, so their population grows much more rapidly than the educated population. A more interesting question would be: what should we as a society do in order to reverse this trend, if anything at all?

limit number of kids to 2 so when idiots die the number of idiots per family is 2 again. Giving educated people  financial aid for having children. And having some sort of penalty for  "useless" people when they make a third one and therefore need financial aid longer etc.


I mean in Germany "community parasites" have a ton of babies and the more they have the more financial aid they get.  Its hilarious.  Not useless dumb people should reproduce   but the educated ones should.  So why the hell is the state/government  helping to make our people dumber? 

Crowd control? I mean the dumber the people the easier they will follow your orders.



A perfect title would have been "Are we getting more stupider?"



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