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Are we getting more stupid?

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haxxiy said:

Yeah, no doubt. For a while the trend will be masked by higher standards of living and then the IQ tests themselves will become easier, but after that?

The only thing I can think of to prevent this is to keep those with less... cognitive abilities to only a single child and massive incentives for those in the opposite camp to have three or more. Like, otherwise they would have taxes that would make the french president proud. Better than giving away money with this economy :P


That's argueably already happening.  There is some research out there suggesting that the Flynn effect is decreasing or no longer exists in western countries... and that like you said... it more or less did mask a negative correlation between intellegence and fertility.

 

Which just makes sense afterall, since a lot of people are having kids while others are still in college.    You could be in your 30's before you finish your degree at the top of the spectrum.

 

EDIT: Fyi these studies are mostly conducted in the Scandanavian countries and Austrlia, so such research isn't being effected by the US Drop in school scores or failing schools or anything.

Additionally some researchers blame immigration and the kids of immigrants instead of the intellegence/fertility negative correlation.



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Player1x3 said:
Your average person today is billion times more educated than your average person 200 years ago, so we're not getting more stupid


As of 2007 in the United States, 20% of high-school graduates are classified as functionally illiterate and 50 Million Americans read at a grade 4 or grade 5 level. Certainly, the average person today is spending far more time in the education system but it can be argued that many of them are not more educated than people were a few generations ago.

My grand-father who was an orphan, left school in grade 4, educated himself through his life by constantly reading, and was able to do complicated matematics and engineering work to build some amazing devices in his shop; and with 8 more years of education the typical (median) high-school graduate is probably less educated than my grandfather was at a similar point in his life, and probably has a lower capacity for learning.



HappySqurriel said:
Player1x3 said:
Your average person today is billion times more educated than your average person 200 years ago, so we're not getting more stupid


As of 2007 in the United States, 20% of high-school graduates are classified as functionally illiterate and 50 Million Americans read at a grade 4 or grade 5 level. Certainly, the average person today is spending far more time in the education system but it can be argued that many of them are not more educated than people were a few generations ago.

My grand-father who was an orphan, left school in grade 4, educated himself through his life by constantly reading, and was able to do complicated matematics and engineering work to build some amazing devices in his shop; and with 8 more years of education the typical (median) high-school graduate is probably less educated than my grandfather was at a similar point in his life, and probably has a lower capacity for learning.


Key words being ''average'' and ''200 years ago''. And why use USA schools ?  Use Finnish or Japanese 



Kantor said:
weaveworld said:
Kantor said:
weaveworld said:
If so I blame capitalism. In order to make money people need to be stupid enough to buy your products. So once they do, don't challenge them to become smarter or you'll lose business.

Capitalism has existed since the origins of humanity when the first person thought to trade one of his possessions for the possession of another.

Even large corporations are nothing new.


True.

It has evolved however. The amount of money made does not equal the progress mankind makes anymore. The system holds us back, or peace and wealth does.

I disagree. It's what keeps us moving forward.

The communist utopia sounds great on paper until people realise that if they just stop working, they gain a whole bunch of free time and lose nothing, and that working harder is going to earn them literally nothing at all. It requires a selflessness and dedication that I don't think humanity on the whole possesses.


You're picturing this very black and white. I'll just add that I think the direction forward you mention and I see around me is not the direction that will make us all get along. Social skills require an amount of intelligence that is not very common these days. But those same skills will make people work together which eventually will result in more progress.