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J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

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Maybe you're just talking Live in general like the store and interface. I don't know of a single person who uses those points as justification in paying for Live Gold, especially considering you can still buy all the stuff and browse the store and use the interface without paying a cent for Gold. We can just agree to disagree. You can argue the superior aspects of Live are make believe illusions experienced by gamers while hopped up on exciting colors and crisp design, I will continue to claim that years of owning both consoles and buying virtually every multiplatform title I own on both consoles and playing them online has taught me that the superior aspects are very much real.

Thats the point, most don't THINK consciously about it. Its something in the back of the mind that influences people and anyone who does marketing and public relations and art knows this. It works through the senses and emotions, not through practicality. If practicality was key PSN's layout would be seen as a good thing. Its not the whole justification, but a major influencing factor. So tell me something, if Sony matched all the features 100% to Xbox Live on a concrete level and left the design the same, what else would you have to argue? Design influences perception. The Look of things influences value in every area of western culture. Microsoft ALWAYS changes design even if they leave the features behind on every anticipated update to Xbox Live. It gives the perception that you are dealing with a premier brand even though you share 95% of your features with the competition.

When people see Xbox Live updates they  accept the new updates even with criticism, but what gets critiqued the most is the design. People can actually catalogue through this whole gen for their favorite version of Xbox Live Layouts. Microsoft has a marketing > product mentality. Sony has the opposite which is product > marketing, which is why they tend to have slower sales than Microsoft. Does this make a shred of sense to you?



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One of the reasons why PS3 continues to be leader on a worldwide basis. This. If there was anything at all that made this service otherwise an unbeatable second to none, it would be the PSN outage. But I guess it's an old story and gamers moved on. Now, I need to justify this by renewing my subscription which expired quite a while ago.



MB1025 said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.


No XBL is the entire experiecne from online gaming, apps, and so on. PS+ is a subscription based service that has nothing to do with online gaming and apps.

...or in other words: PS+ is optional, while XBL is forced on you



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

I've certainly never been so happy with a subscription service before. It's spectacular. I just wonder...if Sony's losing money on it.



People who don't like playstation plus, don't like gaming. Simple as.



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I don't think anyone could seriously argue that PS+ isn't a good value to gamers but the jury is still out on if it's good for the industry. For example we're probably only reaching the point where we'll see its impact on new and used game sales.

What's the point of everyone copying it if it leads to a decline in game sales, especially initial sales of AAA games when they have their best chance of making a large amount of money? Because if it does you'll see even more stores folding and even less AAA games with the remaining ones having to play it even more safe with less variety.

It would have been interesting to watch its affect on Vita considering that system's small installed base but it will probably be impossible to accurately gauge PS+'s affect since Sony will probably without giving us any real meaningful information. If the third party situation completely collapses on it we won't know how much of that is due to PS+.



Legend11 said:
I don't think anyone could seriously argue that PS+ isn't a good value to gamers but the jury is still out on if it's good for the industry. For example we're probably only reaching the point where we'll see its impact on new and used game sales.

What's the point of everyone copying it if it leads to a decline in game sales, especially initial sales of AAA games when they have their best chance of making a large amount of money? Because if it does you'll see even more stores folding and even less AAA games with the remaining ones having to play it even more safe with less variety.

It would have been interesting to watch its affect on Vita considering that system's small installed base but it will probably be impossible to accurately gauge PS+'s affect since Sony will probably without giving us any real meaningful information. If the third party situation completely collapses on it we won't know how much of that is due to PS+.

Aren't most of the + games either really old and/or released before sequels/games by the same dev or Sony first party titles?  Borderlands, Darksiders, and Bioshock 2 come to mind.  Darksiders obviously after 2 came out but it could still help sales as I'm considering buying the second (probably won't didn't LOVE the first) but Bioshock and Borderlands both probably had better sales on PS as a result.




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pezus said:
I got to play Vanquish only because of Plus. Awesome game. Now I'm playing Mortal Kombat, another awesome game that I never bought and probably can't even find for cheap enough here. Infamous 2 was also great. LBP2 too. Not to mention Batman: Arkham City, Bioshock 2 and all the others. Jeez, this is really amazing

sleeping dogs full game is out any time now, its a superb service compared to XBL..... i cant see what live has over PSN+ apart from party chat



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Skeeuk said:

pezus said:
I got to play Vanquish only because of Plus. Awesome game. Now I'm playing Mortal Kombat, another awesome game that I never bought and probably can't even find for cheap enough here. Infamous 2 was also great. LBP2 too. Not to mention Batman: Arkham City, Bioshock 2 and all the others. Jeez, this is really amazing

sleeping dogs full game is out any time now, its a superb service compared to XBL..... i cant see what live has over PSN+ apart from party chat

God damn European plus members getting all the games I want free while I'm stuck with arcade beat em ups and 1v1 fighting games (which I really can't get into).  I love plus and still get MORE than enough free stuff to justify the purchase but damn this seems disproportionate.




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kain_kusanagi said:
ps3-sales! said:
VGKing said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I honestly don't understand why so many Sony fans are so in love with PS +. You pay for Sony to pick games for you. What if you don't want those games? If you do you like the games you have to keep paying or you'll lose it. The sales are fine, but again you're paying Sony to choose what to discount for you. It's more like a rental system, but you only get to rent what Sony picks out from it's basket of stuff they that has already paid for itself or isn't selling.

You get free games, not just discounts.

Those free games may be game you've always wanted to try or missed. In my case its Borerlands and Bioshock 2. Yes, Sony chooses the games and thats the whole point of it. They give us a chance to try these games they know many of us missed or in some cases it can be used as a promotional tool to promote the sequel.(as with Bioshock 2)

WE DO NOT LOSE THE GAMES ONCE WE STOP SUBSCRIBING. We just lose access to them. But then again, why would you unsubscribe? By the time your subscribition ends, odds are you've already gotten more than your moneys worth. Odds are you're not even playing these games anymore so it wouldn't matter you can't play them anymore.

I myself just finished Bioshock 2 and plan on buying Infinite in the future. This is the magic of Playstation Plus. 

Your argument that you dont' get to choose what games to play is just ridiculous. Plus isn't a rental service. It is not like Netflix. However, you do get a LARGE library of 1-hour game trials. That's alone may be worth it to some people. You can try the new Medal of Honor or Battlefield 3 for example.

Don't bother with him. He's obviously butt hurt that he doesn't have access to Playstation plus. 

What are you talking about? I have access to PS+ just like any PS3 owner. It just doesn't offer me anything I want. Don't make assumption about people you don't know. I bought my PS3 for Team Ico and since that hasn't happened this gen I have number of exclusives that I've enjoyed that made it worth it. PS+ has very little that appeals to me.

The games it gives for "free" are all games I could get for a few bucks in a used bin at my local used game store. I bought a used copy of Bioshock 2 for about $5 and if I had any interest in Borderlands it was about the same. Luckily I didn't have to pay for the game I wansn't interesting in. I don't miss out on games, I buy the ones I want most and wait for cheap used prices on the ones I'm less interested in. And I get to keep them forever with no need to pay a subscription to play them in the future. I'd pay for PS+ if it let me play anything in the entire library, but it doesn't so I'm not interested. I also have don't like paying for a digital copy of anything that I can get a physicle copy of. When I pay for something I want full ownership rights, but Sony treats PS+ "free" games as rentals without letting me pick out the games to rent.

It's not about the money. If you had to pay for PS+ to get access to online gaming I'd pay it and I wouldn't complain. And I'm not even complaining about PS+. All I'm saying is I don't have any interesting in paying for an optional service that has nothing to offer me that I want.

There you go. Glad you finally came out and said it. You basically hate digital distribution.

I prefer physical as well, but if I'm getting lots of free games then I don't need them in physical form. Besides PS+ offers PSN games you can't get via retail such as Outland and Scott Pilgrim. You're probably not interested in those either right? Physical or nothing.