A) However you want to describe it doesn't matter. Fact is it exists. No need to be all technical about it. We can describe it as: events that happened, that are happening and will happen.

B) Fate is a collection of your choices. They are tied together. Your choices of buying a computer, getting internet access, signing up on vgchartz, finding this thread are a series of causes and affects (actions and consequences) which have culminated to meeting me. That's fate. If fate doesn't exist then choices don't exist. If someone knew all this doesn't change anything.

C) The first 14 words were the most important. I've heard this argument before. "If someone knows I will choose Action A, then this means I have no choice of choosing action B therfore I have no choice.". Lol, this is such an amateur argument. The simplest of minds can find the mistake here which I will explain now in story mode.

Me: Hi, would you like to drink some pepsi?

[Bob's interruption] (skip this on the first read thru)

You: Yes, I would love that! [drinks pepsi]

Bob: I knew you were going to say yes and drink pepsi.

You: Omg, I you denied me from choosing not to drink pepsi because you knew I was going to.

Bob: No, you said you would like to drink some.

You: Yes, because I did want to drink

Bob: Did you drink?

You: Yes.

Bob: Did you want to decline drinking the pepsi?

You: No.

Bob: Then what's the problem?

So what's the key to this argument?

1) You cannot do action A and not do action A at the same time. That's meaningless.

2) The choice you make is the knowledge that is known to Bob so it doesn't make a difference which choice it was going to be. This doesn't prevent it being your choice and acting on your volition.

3) If Bob interrupted and told you you will drink pepsi and then you chose not to drink pepsi. What happens? This just means Bob knew if he ever told you you will drink it, you would not so therefore Bob still knew the outcome. And you still made the choice you wanted to make.

Therefore, fate's DNA are choices and none of these choices are controlled. Quite simple really.

I'll bring up an interesting topic on this: In computer science, there is no "true random" generation in code. It's generally pretty reliant on methods and routines to generate a random number based on the current state of the machine. This is why (in an unchanging machine), that game playback in some games can mirror the original exactly, just by recording the user input at each interrupt...

That being said, I am one for choice and coincidence, but on an atomic level, one can easily see we're slowly discovering the laws by which these universal systems enact, and if we eventually made a perfected "atomic simulator", wouldn't that then prove that we're living in a world of fate?

We are the atomic simulator :)

Seriously though, we cannot know the future in any way. We just deal with odds/likelihood for example, the weather forecast.

choice is good for the mind whatever happens is coincidence. thats how i would put it..seeing all that shit about particles how they come and go as if they didnt even exist makes you wonder..lets say you find yourself falling from a building by coincidence is there any choice you can make to save yourself ? hahaha

Nono, I've had an epiphany...

We are...the universe is.....the atomic machine...one in many. We are the creation of a smaller universe, one to determine their own future by simulation.

In order to simulate an atomic machine, you require a simulator in orders of magnitudes of power above their own. We are...a lower level version simulating the atoms of a smaller universe...

I believe in a higher power, so the closes to that would be fate.
In some cases we can choose our fate, but in some we can't.

But don't some religions argue that God gave us free will and choice?

I believe in Harvey Dent.

Fate does not conflict with freedom of choice. See my posts above. I gave some examples.

This is a tough one. I believe more in fate than anything else.

I've read somewhere that we come to this world with a plan that we ourselves made before beginning this life. So, pretty much everything that happens to us is to help us improve on a spiritual level (learn from tough situations and grow).

I've noticed that a lot of people who believe in choice live by and large good lives. They are quite attractive, they get a lot of attention, they succeed in life because of their hard work, but that's not the only reason. Other people put as much if not more effort and are not even remotely as successul.

For example 2 of my best friends. One is attactive and gets all the girls, the other one (decent looking dude) has been trying for years and still nothing.
Another case. A friend graduates, applies for a job and is hired the next day and starts in 3 days. After a year he's had tons of pay raises and promotions. Another works her butt off in her job (and she's actually brilliant at it), gets a shitty salary, horrible boss and can't find a job in her field anywhere else.

If you ask the first person in each case, they'll tell you it's all because of their hard work. The same argument is used by billionaires as well. I think that hard work and choiced are by all means siginificant, but not enough. You need a combination. And I believe that luck is part of fate/destiny.