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Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015.



Keep laughing until then.



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GameAnalyser said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015.



Keep laughing until then.

Will do!

 



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

@Soundwave: It's not just the GPU or CPU hardware or stuff like that, but also whether there will be a gamepad like the one in Wii U. Such a gamepad, or one with higher specs, would effectively make the console more expensive.

It all depends what kind of strategy Sony have chosen. In any case it needs to balance between features, specs, cost and release date. Sony can't afford a financial failure like PS3, or it can't wait too long for a new console release, as competition gets too much of a head start.

More features -> cheaper hardware
cheaper harware -> earlier release
earlier release -> less features

However, PS4 should be in a "fine tune stage" at this point of time, and games are under development, so they don't have much room for moving; they can't gimp the console much, or they can't delay the release too much either.



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I stick with my prediction: Spring 2014 in time for Golden Week in Japan and Autumn 2014 in the rest of the world. Slightly more powerful than XB720, but not so much to make it too expensive or lose too much money on HW, just what's made possible launching it 6 to 12 months later.



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Heres hoping it is 4K, making it take longer and cost more.

The plus side is that itll kick in in terms of relevance 5 years after its release when 4k becomes mass adopted.



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I think Sony and MS are both better off releasing in 2014, yet recent news has me thinking they might make it to 2013. Or maybe that is just wishful thinking on my part now as originally I was not ready for Next Gen to be here yet and now with the flood of rumors I kinda really want them.

Anyway. PS4 and NextBox will both be far and beyond what WiiU is currently showing, yet odds are PS4 will be slightly less powerful than MS's console cuz it means they can go cheaper. PS1 and PS2 were both stronger than the weakest, but not the strongest in hardware, PURE DOMINATION. People will settle for cost and quality and being in the middle gives you that.

if anything I think Sony will take the MS route, make the standard console cheap but kill you in peripheral pricing (MS sold 360 at low price yet neglected to mention you would be buying single or rechargable battery packs for $50, memory cards and or had drives for ridonc amounts, and Live membership to play online which in essense made 360 just as much as PS3 but consumers are too dumb to see this). If they do this they will be fine as far as competition goes.

i am still wondering how this "Visor" thing fits into it all, if even true that is. If they sell it separately can they really get it to sell well enough to support the peripheral? Maybe if they Advertise it right.....but this is Sony we are talking about. MS proved that you can sell an almost totally useless control peripheral that no one really needs or wants to ppl if you market it well enough (Sorry but the Kinect is a total joke in my eyes, don't get me wrong Move is too but the Kinect is a glorified voice recognition/Netflix controller).



      

      

      

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sales2099 said:
Heres hoping it is 4K, making it take longer and cost more.

The plus side is that itll kick in in terms of relevance 5 years after its release when 4k becomes mass adopted.

the idea behind advancing to 4K is that it won't cost Sony much with that new patent tech they developed a year ago. It allows them to scale any image to any algorithmic size flawlessly without loss of quality, and shrinks the space imprint of image data on disc.



      

      

      

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Dodece said:

Sony is a conglomerate, and since I doubt the word means anything to you I will expain it to you. A conglomerate is a company that has divisions that actually do business in a lot of unrelated industries. On the whole Sony's divisions that are doing badly are losing more money then the divisions that are doing well. Basically the console divisions profits are being spent covering losses, and the losses are still greater then the gains. Which is why Sony has been forced to offer up stock option bonds, and has had to delve into its financial reserves to cover the difference. The companies cash reserves are finite, and the company is hardly credit worthy. So Sony is finding it harder to borrow. So no it doesn't mean anything, and it has nothing to do with it being Sony. I would apply this same logic to any other company in this exact same position.

I suppose you would argue that people who have cancer should just roll over and die too. A company in dire straights isn't a company without hope. Maybe the company won't survive this situation, but then again maybe it will. It is entirely possible that Sony could fester five years, and suddenly come out with another break out hit. That turns into a cash generating machine. That said I think you need to grow up, and act like the age your profile says you are. I don't know what kind of world you are living in, but sometimes in this life companies just like people have to do things to get by. If your family is starving, and you have to crawl around in pig shit all day long to feed them. Then that is what you do. You don't give up until there isn't a single chance left. The management, employees, and the stock holders of Sony need this company to carry on. Throwing a shit fit, and walking away from their responsibilities isn't a option. They will keep trying until they find a way or run out of chances, and that is just how it is.

Nintendo lost the console wars, but that isn't the same as getting the stuffing beat out of them. The difference being that Nintendo didn't lose money trying. They sold their hardware at a profit, sold a lot of their own first party software, and had the best selling portable gaming device. Nintendo actually did quite well for itself. It is a object lesson in going with the flow. Nintendo didn't need to dominate the market as a whole to be successful. They just needed to cater to a market of loyal consumers. Which was large enough to sustain the company in the industry. Sony would do well to learn some of these lessons from Nintendo. That is how Nintendo wasn't trounced, and this is how Sony was.

Others have shown you the graphs that show you how much Sony lost. The past generation is the text book definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Those losses probably don't even take into account the seven hundred million dollars in loans that Sony has to pay interest on that it took out to fund production of the PS3, or the overhaul of the online security that had to happen, because of the whole jailbreaking fiasco. That saw Sony getting hacked every other day for about two whole months straight. The answer to your question would seem to be self apparent. Were Sony to eat such losses again the company would likely go bankrupt, but you can relax. Sony wouldn't bankrupt the company to salvage a PS4 doing that poorly. No they would just abandon the product.

Propaganda isn't a substitute for facts. I hope you understand that if you continue on this route. All you are going to get for your effort is pulverized. Think what you want about this community, but we aren't slouches. We know a great deal about what we are talking about, and many of us have been on this site since the start of this past generation. We have a real good grasp of what happened, when it happened, and why it happened. Sony basically created a hostage situation that it couldn't walk away from. They couldn't allow the PS3 to die like it ought to have, because it would have destroyed their chip business, their new media format, their software studios, and their home console line. They were pot committed, and they were going to lose a lot of money no matter which way they went.

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osed125 said:
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Yeah like outselling the competitors by 100,000 to 400,000 consoles each and every week doesn't mean anything when Sony's doing it.

If they're in such dire shape as you and the others like you point out, why don't they just say they're going out of business tomorrow and be done with the whole thing without going through the whole process of releasing a console that's beneath them?

And you use Nintendo as an example; however, Nintendo got the stuffing beat out of them two gens in a row not one like Sony ( and considering the fact that Playstation 3 is the best selling console out of the 3 for the last two years of the gen and beating the other consoles soundly every week now) why wouldn't they be interested in following a similar path next time?

If Sony follows the same business model as they did with PS3, losing over 4.5 billion $, they will be bankrupt within 2 years.


So, if Sony releases a console that's outselling the competitors every week week at the end of next gen, they'll be bankrupt?  That doesn't make much sense.

You're ignoring the billions Sony lost during the first half of the gen. Sony hasn't recovered from that (and probably never will). 

Stop bringing up the past. I can see people like you saying this same comment even if PS4 was the #1 console every week outselling the competition
"b-b-but PS3 lost them billions! it doesn't matter if PS4 is profitable!"