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Forums - Sales Discussion - Prediction: Wii U to dominate & PS4 to fall behind - Jan. 2013

z101 said:
the_dengle said:
Could've, should've, would've... we don't know what would have happened. These "what ifs" are pointless. What matters going forward is how Sony can learn from the past and not repeat it. 


The Vita proves that Sony doesn't learn from the past.

It think MS and Nintendo will rule the "next gen". Sony and the Playstation brand will be history in 2 years.

Well no, it's not going so fast. Apple was in a similar situation over years, and the were able to turn it around. Give Sony 5 years at least.



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ninjablade said:

 I already said they could have launched a system exactly like a 360 and could have dominated. my point is as long as they make a system 6-8x more powerful then current gen and price it at 349$-399$ they will dominate next gen, just look at the weekly charts, it sold 3x the amount wii u did this week.

Wanna bet?



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ninjablade said:

I already said they could have launched a system exactly like a 360 and could have dominated. my point is as long as they make a system 6-8x more powerful then current gen and price it at 349$-399$ they will dominate next gen, just look at the weekly charts, it sold 3x the amount wii u did this week.

Oh, well if you already said it, then what a fool I was to think any other outcome could be possible! I should not have questioned your omniscience!

And all they have to do is make a console 8 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it for $350? Is that all? Exactly how much money do you propose they lose on each console sold?



the_dengle said:
ninjablade said:

I already said they could have launched a system exactly like a 360 and could have dominated. my point is as long as they make a system 6-8x more powerful then current gen and price it at 349$-399$ they will dominate next gen, just look at the weekly charts, it sold 3x the amount wii u did this week.

Oh, well if you already said it, then what a fool I was to think any other outcome could be possible! I should not have questioned your omniscience!

And all they have to do is make a console 8 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it for $350? Is that all? Exactly how much money do you propose they lose on each console sold?

Ninjablade wants to ruin Sony. He is one sneaky MS/Nintendo-fan.



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honestly guys i'm a 360 fan but looking at the ps3 sales, the playstation brand is too strong, if they launch with a system thats 6x-8x more powerful then current gen at 349$-399$ there will be no stopping them from being # 1.



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ninjablade said:
honestly guys i'm a 360 fan but looking at the ps3 sales, the playstation brand is too strong, if they launch with a system thats 6x-8x more powerful then current gen at 349$-399$ there will be no stopping them from being # 1.


So: are you willing to bet that PS4 first - say 5 weeks - are better than WiiUs first 5 weeks? Global according to vgchartz?



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the_dengle said:
ninjablade said:

I already said they could have launched a system exactly like a 360 and could have dominated. my point is as long as they make a system 6-8x more powerful then current gen and price it at 349$-399$ they will dominate next gen, just look at the weekly charts, it sold 3x the amount wii u did this week.

Oh, well if you already said it, then what a fool I was to think any other outcome could be possible! I should not have questioned your omniscience!

And all they have to do is make a console 8 times more powerful than the PS3 and sell it for $350? Is that all? Exactly how much money do you propose they lose on each console sold?

this was already done at neogaf a system 8x more powerful would cost them 399$.



Mnementh said:
ninjablade said:
honestly guys i'm a 360 fan but looking at the ps3 sales, the playstation brand is too strong, if they launch with a system thats 6x-8x more powerful then current gen at 349$-399$ there will be no stopping them from being # 1.


So: are you willing to bet that PS4 first - say 5 weeks - are better than WiiUs first 5 weeks? Global according to vgchartz?


yes i'm willing to bet unless they run out of stock.



ninjablade said:
Mnementh said:
ninjablade said:
honestly guys i'm a 360 fan but looking at the ps3 sales, the playstation brand is too strong, if they launch with a system thats 6x-8x more powerful then current gen at 349$-399$ there will be no stopping them from being # 1.


So: are you willing to bet that PS4 first - say 5 weeks - are better than WiiUs first 5 weeks? Global according to vgchartz?


yes i'm willing to bet unless they run out of stock.

Hard to measure that. So it's a done deal, you bet PS4 is selling in it's first 5 weeks more units than WiiU did according to the VGChartz global weekly data. I say it will sell less. Want we bet for 1 month avatar-control (meaning you gve me a pic I have to put into my avatar for one month if you win or vice versa)?



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I have a feeling Sony could see significant decline next gen. Here is my logic before you jump on me:

- PS3's first couple years ($599) hurt Sony's image a great deal, in addition to many other things in the mid 2000s like the rootkit scandal, arrogant comments, removal of BC, the death of Lik Sang, etc..

- Going by Sony's recent track record, they will probably launch with the most expensive console, which will make it a difficult sell for the mass market.

- Sony also seems to be the least successful of the big three at catering to the expanded audience.

-With PS3 still maintaining pretty strong momentum, the transition of consumers over from PS3 to PS4 will likely be a long one, as was the case with DS to 3DS, and to an extent, GBA to DS.

- It looks likely that it won't launch until 2014 at this point, making it difficult to complete with the other consoles that have had time to establish a game library and devs to get used to developing for them.

- The big sellers on Sony consoles when they were in their prime were usually third party games, but now MS has taken that throne for the most part. The Xbox 360 pretty much now serves the purpose Sony once held.

- Japan and Europe are by far Sony's strongest markets for the past 10 years or so, but now it seems Nintendo all but owns Japan and much of Europe is in the midst of a financial crisis that would probably make the likely expensive PS4 a tougher sell.

I think Vita's performance is a foreshadowing of what we'll see for PS4.

Now, I could be completely off with the as I never expected for PS3 to have the legs it's had, so you just never know with this industry. I'm just trying to make a logical prediction based of a plethora of evidence I've seen.