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How will this battle end (Dec 30th-Jun 7th, vgchartz)?

PS3 will more than double WiiU sales 99 62.26%
 
PS3 will double WiiU sales 13 8.18%
 
S3 will sell ~50% more than WiiU 7 4.40%
 
PS3 and WiiU will sell the same (essentially) 10 6.29%
 
WiiU will sell 50% more than PS3 8 5.03%
 
WiiU will double PS3 sales 13 8.18%
 
Other 9 5.66%
 
Total:159
Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:

Yes it does because it being a childs toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game. Children tend not to have an income; you are relying on gift giving. 
The PS2 was not competiting with the PS3. The Wii U is competiting with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game e.g. what PGR3 was for the 360.

I'm not ignorant to gaming cycles; please keep such unsubstantiated comments to yourself as they merely look personal rather then objective.  What has been shown is your lack of understanding where the Wii U resides within this market as of current. 

1. ''a child toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game'' - The Skylander's and Pokémon franchise is geared towards a younger crowd and yet the franchise has crossed the billion dollar revenue. I fail to see your argument, they shift hardware.

2. ''the Wii U is competing with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game'' - That exactly is the point of gaming cycles... Older gen will always outsell the newer gen in the first year until proven otherwise (content, games, etc.). PS2 outsold Xbox 360 and PS3 within first year on market. Again, I fail to see your point on Wii U launch being a failure despite outselling the Xbox 360 and PS3 (including Europe) launch period in times where a worldwide recession did not affect people's spending habits.

Skylander's has sold very, very little. Pokemon is the only exception however that is not a child's game necessarily due to the complex mechanics behind the game meaning it's audience isn't as limited as Lego. 

Saying kids games shift hardware is simply untrue - where are your figures?

No you fail to understand what I am saying. The 360 was not directly competiting against the PS2 as the 360 clearly offered the next gen in gaming. The Wii U has yet to show us an 8th generation game, therefore it is currently seen as a 7th gen console competing against other 7th gen consoles. Until the Wii U actually seperates itself as an 8th gen console, its sales are going to be directly compared against the PS3 and 360. 

I never said the launch was a failure; don't make stuff up. Also comparing the Wii U sales to sales that occured 6-7 years ago is rediculous due to economic and market differences.



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Mazty said:
Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:

Yes it does because it being a childs toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game. Children tend not to have an income; you are relying on gift giving. 
The PS2 was not competiting with the PS3. The Wii U is competiting with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game e.g. what PGR3 was for the 360.

I'm not ignorant to gaming cycles; please keep such unsubstantiated comments to yourself as they merely look personal rather then objective.  What has been shown is your lack of understanding where the Wii U resides within this market as of current. 

1. ''a child toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game'' - The Skylander's and Pokémon franchise is geared towards a younger crowd and yet the franchise has crossed the billion dollar revenue. I fail to see your argument, they shift hardware.

2. ''the Wii U is competing with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game'' - That exactly is the point of gaming cycles... Older gen will always outsell the newer gen in the first year until proven otherwise (content, games, etc.). PS2 outsold Xbox 360 and PS3 within first year on market. Again, I fail to see your point on Wii U launch being a failure despite outselling the Xbox 360 and PS3 (including Europe) launch period in times where a worldwide recession did not affect people's spending habits.

Skylander's has sold very, very little. Pokemon is the only exception however that is not a child's game necessarily due to the complex mechanics behind the game meaning it's audience isn't as limited as Lego. 

Saying kids games shift hardware is simply untrue - where are your figures?

No you fail to understand what I am saying. The 360 was not directly competiting against the PS2 as the 360 clearly offered the next gen in gaming. The Wii U has yet to show us an 8th generation game, therefore it is currently seen as a 7th gen console competing against other 7th gen consoles. Until the Wii U actually seperates itself as an 8th gen console, its sales are going to be directly compared against the PS3 and 360. 

I never said the launch was a failure; don't make stuff up. Also comparing the Wii U sales to sales that occured 6-7 years ago is rediculous due to economic and market differences.

Honestly, I am done here. We can agree to disagree. However, your point of 360 offering next-gen gaming off the bat is simply not true. Next-gen gaming was apparent when Gears of War was released, a year following the Xbox 360 release.



Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:
Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:

Yes it does because it being a childs toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game. Children tend not to have an income; you are relying on gift giving. 
The PS2 was not competiting with the PS3. The Wii U is competiting with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game e.g. what PGR3 was for the 360.

I'm not ignorant to gaming cycles; please keep such unsubstantiated comments to yourself as they merely look personal rather then objective.  What has been shown is your lack of understanding where the Wii U resides within this market as of current. 

1. ''a child toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game'' - The Skylander's and Pokémon franchise is geared towards a younger crowd and yet the franchise has crossed the billion dollar revenue. I fail to see your argument, they shift hardware.

2. ''the Wii U is competing with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game'' - That exactly is the point of gaming cycles... Older gen will always outsell the newer gen in the first year until proven otherwise (content, games, etc.). PS2 outsold Xbox 360 and PS3 within first year on market. Again, I fail to see your point on Wii U launch being a failure despite outselling the Xbox 360 and PS3 (including Europe) launch period in times where a worldwide recession did not affect people's spending habits.

Skylander's has sold very, very little. Pokemon is the only exception however that is not a child's game necessarily due to the complex mechanics behind the game meaning it's audience isn't as limited as Lego. 

Saying kids games shift hardware is simply untrue - where are your figures?

No you fail to understand what I am saying. The 360 was not directly competiting against the PS2 as the 360 clearly offered the next gen in gaming. The Wii U has yet to show us an 8th generation game, therefore it is currently seen as a 7th gen console competing against other 7th gen consoles. Until the Wii U actually seperates itself as an 8th gen console, its sales are going to be directly compared against the PS3 and 360. 

I never said the launch was a failure; don't make stuff up. Also comparing the Wii U sales to sales that occured 6-7 years ago is rediculous due to economic and market differences.

Honestly, I am done here. We can agree to disagree. However, your point of 360 offering next-gen gaming off the bat is simply not true. Next-gen gaming was apparent when Gears of War was released, a year following the Xbox 360 release.

So you're saying that PGR3 didn't seem to be a next-gen game on launch day? That's just nonsense. It was clearly beyond anything on the xbox or PS2:

GranTurismo 4:

PGR3:

Also I'm going to presume when you looked up the Skylander game sales you realised you didn't really have a leg to stand on.



Mazty said:
Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:
Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:

Yes it does because it being a childs toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game. Children tend not to have an income; you are relying on gift giving. 
The PS2 was not competiting with the PS3. The Wii U is competiting with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game e.g. what PGR3 was for the 360.

I'm not ignorant to gaming cycles; please keep such unsubstantiated comments to yourself as they merely look personal rather then objective.  What has been shown is your lack of understanding where the Wii U resides within this market as of current. 

1. ''a child toy means that your aimed market cannot actually afford the game'' - The Skylander's and Pokémon franchise is geared towards a younger crowd and yet the franchise has crossed the billion dollar revenue. I fail to see your argument, they shift hardware.

2. ''the Wii U is competing with the PS3/360 until it manages to seperate itself from the 7th gen with an 8th gen game'' - That exactly is the point of gaming cycles... Older gen will always outsell the newer gen in the first year until proven otherwise (content, games, etc.). PS2 outsold Xbox 360 and PS3 within first year on market. Again, I fail to see your point on Wii U launch being a failure despite outselling the Xbox 360 and PS3 (including Europe) launch period in times where a worldwide recession did not affect people's spending habits.

Skylander's has sold very, very little. Pokemon is the only exception however that is not a child's game necessarily due to the complex mechanics behind the game meaning it's audience isn't as limited as Lego. 

Saying kids games shift hardware is simply untrue - where are your figures?

No you fail to understand what I am saying. The 360 was not directly competiting against the PS2 as the 360 clearly offered the next gen in gaming. The Wii U has yet to show us an 8th generation game, therefore it is currently seen as a 7th gen console competing against other 7th gen consoles. Until the Wii U actually seperates itself as an 8th gen console, its sales are going to be directly compared against the PS3 and 360. 

I never said the launch was a failure; don't make stuff up. Also comparing the Wii U sales to sales that occured 6-7 years ago is rediculous due to economic and market differences.

Honestly, I am done here. We can agree to disagree. However, your point of 360 offering next-gen gaming off the bat is simply not true. Next-gen gaming was apparent when Gears of War was released, a year following the Xbox 360 release.

So you're saying that PGR3 didn't seem to be a next-gen game on launch day? That's just nonsense. It was clearly beyond anything on the xbox or PS2:

Also I'm going to presume when you looked up the Skylander game sales you realised you didn't really have a leg to stand on.

I don't mind having an intelligent conversation with someone, but now you are really pushing it. Skylanders business model is built upon selling exclusive content through toys. As a result, one does not need to sell an abudance of software to make the business transaction a profitable one. Consequently, your argument of the game not selling well does not equate succes once again only personifies your ignorance. It's a BILLION dollar franchise, any gaming company would kill to have that business model.

Best Regards

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-04/activision-the-anti-zynga



Vinniegambini said:
Mazty said:

So you're saying that PGR3 didn't seem to be a next-gen game on launch day? That's just nonsense. It was clearly beyond anything on the xbox or PS2:

Also I'm going to presume when you looked up the Skylander game sales you realised you didn't really have a leg to stand on.

I don't mind having an intelligent conversation with someone, but now you are really pushing it. Skylanders business model is built upon selling exclusive content through toys. As a result, one does not need to sell an abudance of software to make the business transaction a profitable one. Consequently, your argument of the game not selling well does not equate succes once again only personifies your ignorance. It's a BILLION dollar franchise, any gaming company would kill to have that business model.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-04/activision-the-anti-zynga

Noted that you ignored the screenshots. 

We are not talking if Skylanders is a successful buisness model. We are talking about whether Lego world and Pikmin will enable the wii u sales to surpass the PS3. As both titles have a very limited audience, I can't see why those two titles will help push sales up past the PS3, more so when we consider that one of the best selling series on the Wii, NSMB Wii, hasn't made sales surpass the PS3. 



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kowenicki said:
bananaking21 said:
DaRev said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
DaRev said:

man you are fast. I think thye will sell about the same.

Anyways, I think when Nintendo releases its games for 2013, it will warrant people picking up a new Wii U for the exclusives. Not sure we can say the same thing about PS3, (1) because I'm not sure what exclusives it has between now and E3, (2) its good holiday 2012 numbers will not continue (but I assume you can say the same about Wii U).

(not my best arguments above )

Before E3 this year?

Sly

God of War

The Last of Us

I'm sure there's more

Ok fair enough but, being a bit biased here for the sake of argument, PS3 elclusives don't sell very well and as a result don't really move systems. Case in point Resistance 3, Heavy Rain, LBP 2. Could be because of saturation of the market already with PS3s. Ultimately, Wii U has nowhere to go but up, but PS3 hs no where to go but down, after holiday 2012.

what are you talking about? LBP 2 sold 2.8 million. GoW 3 sold 5.2 million. littlebigplanet1 5 million. uncharted3 5.5 million. uncharted 2 6 million. uncharted1 4.5 million. gt5 9.2 million heavy rain 2 million. killzone3 2.4 million. killzone2 2.9 million. infamous2 1.5 million infamous 2.5 million. even resistance 3 is at 1.2. 

 

this is about hardware boosts from those software sales.  there wont be any that are significant from exclusives outside of japan.

PS3 has sold 70M+ thanks to its exclusives...

I only play  exclusives games on my PS3...

I bought a ps3 for its exclusive...



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pezus said:
Baron said:
pezus said:
Baron said:
"How will this battle end"

What battle? The battle of the fanboys? I doubt that will end.



This will only result in a Wii U/Wii/3DS or DS vs PSVita thread.

What is the point of celebrating the poor sales of a console you have no interest in? Besides the obvious trolling...

Do you see me celebrating? I'm predicting sales, not celebrating


Still too obvious mate. Especially because in other comments (don't know if it was this thread or that other PS3 beat Wii U thread) you used the word celebrate yourself.

Did I use it in reference to poor WiiU sales? No, I used it to say that PS3 is selling amazingly well. You don't celebrate when something's doing bad, you do it when something's doing good!


Then why the PS3 vs Wii U threads? Why no PS3 vs 360 thread? Or a PS3 vs Wii U vs 360 thread?



pezus said:
NPD numbers in. WiiU sold 460k in December in USA. Oh, dear...
Any takers now?


Nothing to be concerned of. PS3 sold 625k. :/

Well, I'm off to declare war on the Microsoft fandom.



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pezus said:
F0X said:
pezus said:
NPD numbers in. WiiU sold 460k in December in USA. Oh, dear...
Any takers now?


Nothing to be concerned of. PS3 sold 625k. :/

Well, I'm off to declare war on the Microsoft fandom.

Thankfully PS3 still has Europe. Can't say the same for WiiU unfortunately (or fortunately for my prediction )


Right. I'm defintely not going to challenging your prediction. History has taught me that HD consoles sell rather slowly in the beginning.



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after seeing NPD, and WiiU's sales in europe this week. i agree. count me in on your prediction